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majorlinux,
@majorlinux@toot.majorshouse.com avatar

Well, that's a step in the right direction!

Windows won’t take screenshots of everything you do after all — unless you opt in

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/7/24173499/microsoft-windows-recall-response-security-concerns

#Windows #Recall #OptIn #AI #Tech #Microsoft

samhainnight,
@samhainnight@mstdn.social avatar

It’s a start, but it does nothing to protect victims of domestic violence or people who’ve opted out but whose information is on the computers of people who’ve opted in.

MS Recall begs the question, “Who does this serve?”

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/7/24173499/microsoft-windows-recall-response-security-concerns

#Recall #Safety

nus,
@nus@mstdn.social avatar

@samhainnight

Microsoft recall serves one group, and their name is the first word in this sentence.

publicvoit,
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

So, #Windows will not come with #Recall #spyware activated, just Recall spyware pre-installed.

What a relief. Not. 🙄

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/7/24173499/microsoft-windows-recall-response-security-concerns

If I'd own a company which is still using #Microsoft, I'd have a migration path to #Linux worked out meanwhile.

#malware #FOSS #trust

underdarkGIS,
@underdarkGIS@fosstodon.org avatar

Note to self: Between versions 3.34.5 and 3.34.6, the packaging for the version of QGIS changed from 3.9 to Python 3.12.

Will have to test if/how is affected

HT: https://gitlab.com/Oslandia/qgis/qduckdb by @oslandia

vpicavet,
@vpicavet@mastodon.social avatar

@underdarkGIS @oslandia Yes, and that should definitely not have happened ! Changing a major version of critical Python dependency in a minor QGIS release, without any warning, is totally nuts. There should have been a QEP for that, and at least clear communication to plugin developers.

underdarkGIS,
@underdarkGIS@fosstodon.org avatar

@vpicavet yes, bit strange, but I might have missed messages. There's still this open issue, for example, https://github.com/qgis/QGIS/issues/54491

stefan,
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

"Microsoft is ending support for Windows 10 in October 2025, but the company is now taking the unusual step of reopening its beta program for Windows 10 to test new features and improvements."

Are they just going to start cramming more AI into it to see if they can force people to upgrade?

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/5/24171895/microsoft-windows-10-beta-testing-new-features

eugenialoli,
@eugenialoli@mastodon.social avatar

The mass exodus from to (and ) due to and continues. More and more articles, more and more youtube videos about it, or posts on forums. People are switching. If it continues like that, Linux should have 10% desktop marketshare by the end of the decade (and yes, that's a lot).

eugenialoli,
@eugenialoli@mastodon.social avatar

@timonsku There's the actual statcounter source, however what I'm reporting here is an obvious trend that is visible if you search a bit on youtube, reddit, on various forums. The amounts of users switching has increased, and it has kind of taken a world of its own since last week, after MS' AI announcement.

alper,
@alper@rls.social avatar

@eugenialoli Thank the AI boosters and ask them to boost more. #copilot #openai

SomeGadgetGuy,
@SomeGadgetGuy@techhub.social avatar

It just clicked in my brain. What I haven't been able to articulate about why I'm so anxious about Recall. I'm sure others have already gotten to where I am.

It's worse than "a system that tracks everything you do" and stores that info in a basic database that could be easily compromised.
It's worse than a nanny surveillance tool for companies to spy on their employees.

It's inescapable.

It doesn't matter if I make a dozen "how to disable recall" tutorials. The second YOUR data shows up on someone ELSE'S screen, it's in THEIR recall database.

It won't matter if you're a master expert specialist. You can't account for EVERY other computer you've ever interacted with. If a family member looks up an old email with your personal data in it, your data is now at risk.

If THEIR system is compromised YOUR data is at risk.

I just went from "vague feeling of unease" to "actively writing templates to canvas elected officials, regulators, and attorneys general."

cynblogger,
@cynblogger@sfba.social avatar

@SomeGadgetGuy
As far as I’m concerned (and as an IT veteran since 1975), Microsoft has NEVER HAD ONE PRODUCT that came close to competitors’ offerings, no matter the niche or specialty. All it’s ever had is marketing expertise. If it were an auto manufacturer, it would be an Edsel or Nash bit with a pricy hood ornament & good sales teams.

SomeGadgetGuy,
@SomeGadgetGuy@techhub.social avatar

@cynblogger I kinda feel a LOT of the big tech brands have become what you're describing. I'm just old enough to remember ALL the various permutations of Microsoft dating back to DOS 3.

Theeo123,
@Theeo123@mastodon.social avatar

https://www.wired.com/story/total-recall-windows-recall-ai/

Well, that didn't take long...

There is now an automated tool for hackers to extract all data collected by windows recall.

#windows #recall #WindowsRecall #Microsoft #security #SecurityNightmare

reay,
@reay@mastodon.social avatar

@FirewallDragons @Theeo123 To be fair, it was a bit of a layup, no?

My cursory understanding of Recall is that it’ll screenshot passwords and banking info along with everything else. 🤷‍♂️

Theeo123,
@Theeo123@mastodon.social avatar

@reay @FirewallDragons

as mentioned earlier, all stored in plain-text....

So not a super-feat of programming by any stretch but still laughably bad.

irfan,

#Windows' upcoming #Recall feature is enabled by default btw in the OOBE setup and CANNOT be disabled directly - you will need to disable it in the Settings app instead, afterwards.

I don't know if you'd trust #Microsoft to actually respect that setting either, wouldn't be the first and only setting on Windows that doesn't actually do anything you'd want it to (or not to) do.

OH and also - Microsoft stores all the Recall data in an #SQLite database in plaintext, so you KNOW it's secure and definitely not easy to steal away from you by anyone that gains physical or remote access to your device <3

🔗 https://x.com/tomwarren/status/1796681578984182066

🔗 https://x.com/GossiTheDog/status/1796218726808748367

rakyat,
@rakyat@hachyderm.io avatar

@irfan Seems like there’s some noise around Windows Recall being a security disaster, so I’d expect them to recall it for the time being?

JetlagJen,
@JetlagJen@geekdom.social avatar

First time using freshly installed #Windows, installing a few bits like an OK browser and some games. Password typed at least 20 times. Three reboots. Settings accessed four times. Seven meaningless notifications dismissed (plus more in launchers like Epic and Steam). The only thing installed via the Microsoft Store throws a system error instead of loading, and there's no "uninstall" button in the store.

But do please tell me more about how difficult #Linux is.

ai6yr,
@ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org avatar

The Verge: Windows AI feature that screenshots everything labeled a security ‘disaster’ https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/3/24170305/microsoft-windows-recall-ai-screenshots-security-privacy-issues #windows #ai #cybersecurity

mappingsupport,
@mappingsupport@m.ai6yr.org avatar

@ai6yr Grateful that my windows 10 PC is not able to be upgraded to windows 11. Apparently it lacks some motherboard feature that windows 11 requires.

alex, French
@alex@social.nah.re avatar

#Recall de #Windows 11 se souvient de ton mot de passe l'été dernier

alex,
@alex@social.nah.re avatar

#Recall de #Windows 11 est un Serial Stalker

alex,
@alex@social.nah.re avatar

#Recall de #Windows 11, parce que le monde ne suffit pas

SusiS,
1Sauerlaender,

Stained glass window depicting Christ in the Romanesque St. Kunibert Basilica in Cologne.
(September 2021)
(Foto: © Rüdiger Benninghaus)
#Fenster, #windows, #Kirchenfenster, #Buntglasfenster, #Kunst, #art, #sakrale_Kunst, #Kirchen, #churches, #Sankt_Kunibert, #Köln

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drahardja,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

So it seems that what #Windows #MicrosoftRecall does is take screenshots, sorts windows by application, then runs each window through an image-to-text model and logs its contents, capturing text, web domain information, and the topic of the content. This information is then logged in a searchable local database.

This has to be combined with some way to get back to the content, right? So if I searched for a topic in the future, Windows has to be able to restore the app and the document that you were viewing. So there has to be some URL or file path associated with each window content.

I know people are freaked out about this feature, but I think it’s basically Spotlight on steroids. I’m actually not that freaked out about it if it’s local-only, and I think this can actually be useful for someone with #ADHD like me who loses content all the time.

The real questions: what privacy-protection mechanisms are present, who gets to access to this data, how easily it can be exfiltrated?

https://mastodon.social/@detective/112513529733646088

jnk,
@jnk@masto.es avatar

@drahardja considering that microsoft already logged user data before the AI fever to target ads and the fact that almost any program you execute can easily get more privileges than the actual user... This will either end up with microsoft stealing data, hundreds of different exploits from third parties to steal data (both hackers and companies), or both.

Even if you somehow can trust Microsoft after all the anticompetitive and user-invasive bs they pulled already, why would you essentially screen-record 24/7 and have an AI to parse that?

Hard pass, and that's coming from someone who is actually planing to make their own "AI summarize every conversation i have irl". The idea is awesome in paper and i could really use an artificial brain, but never on a device connected to the internet and much less in my main machine. This should be a physically separated device with no internet at all, then i would trust.

Also fuck Microsoft and windows, but that's personal opinion.

drahardja,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@jnk I respect your position. Yes, I think this all hinges on whether you trust Microsoft/Windows or not.

SuitedUpDev,
@SuitedUpDev@mastodon.online avatar

Maybe a weird question, but does anybody happen to know a #Windows application that can display #emoji's that runs under #WINE ?

hvangalen,
@hvangalen@mastodon.nl avatar

@SuitedUpDev What the huh?! Haha what a mess. That's why proprietary formats should be banned.

SuitedUpDev,
@SuitedUpDev@mastodon.online avatar

@hvangalen A little bit of an investigation reveals that pre-standardization,
Microsoft did a proposal for supporting Emoji's in fonts. Their standard only works for Windows 7, 8 and 10 (pre-2016 anniversary update).

After the 2016 anniversary update, they started to supported the OpenType-SVG font files.

Fun fact, there is a MR available for WINE, related to NotoColorEmoji.ttf font 😂

https://gitlab.winehq.org/wine/wine/-/merge_requests/411

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