@fishidwardrobe I don't think there's any requirement for phone numbers in the #Signal Protocol.
They all sound similar but the Signal Protocol (the technical spec; also used by WhatsApp), The Signal Foundation (the non-profit entity behind Signal), and Signal (the messaging service) are all different things.
Does anyone know if #Signal is any good as an alternative for communicating with family outside the US? I’d rather not use #WhatsApp if I can avoid it…
You don’t see the wall because you’re in the included group. Unlike Facebook, Cloudflare hides the wall from those they welcome into their garden. If you click on the screenshot on the OP, you can see what the barrier looks like to those of us who are in the excluded group.
Otherwise I hope you’re not viewing the world through a simplistic “good guys” / “bad guys” lens s.t. those you deem forces of good surely could not be a “walled garden”. The term serves well w.r.t. places where content is published. Restricted access venues: (Facebook, Cloudflare [with restricted access enabled], LinkedIn, Yelp, Quora,…) are not open access. They are walled gardens.
While #Signal is in fact technically a walled garden, it’s bizarre to bring it up simply because it’s a p2p platform with no public content to speak of. The term doesn’t really serve us well in a discussion of p2p private chat platforms. Although it’s important to recognize Signal:
takes an extremely protectionist stance,
deploys tactics to push Signal users into Google’s walled garden,
threatens lawsuits against projects who attempt to use the same platform (#LibreSignal),
excludes people without mobile phones,
and is outspokenly hostile toward the idea of federations
The exclusivity of Signal’s design and decision making & careless marginalization of classes of people is comparable to that of orgs like Cloudflare & Microsoft.
A Cloudflare host can leave the walled garden, but steps are needed
It is possible to configure a CF host with unrestricted access, in which case you could argue those particular sites are not in the walled garden, but that’s relatively rare. And it still requires a hell of a lot of hand-waving on your part because CF algos still override the user settings in some instances.
Why would anyone want to use #TornadoCash on #Ethereum / #ETH, which is written in the systemically unsafe Programming Language that is #Solidity when #Monero :monero: / #XMR exists?
Tipp Nr.29: Verwende einen sicheren und datenschutzfreundlichen Messenger. Für Umsteiger von #WhatsApp empfehlen sich Signal und Threema. Für mehr Autonomie und/oder öffentliche Chats bieten sich Messenger auf Basis des Matrix- oder XMPP-Protokolls an. Hilfe bei der Auswahl bzw. beim Wechsel bietet die Messenger-Matrix.
@kuketzblog #signal lässt sich von der Webseite nicht für das Smartphone downloaden, das gilt nur für die Desktop-App. Ohne den Play Store also gar nicht machbar. Zu der Elterndiskussion: ich bin echt froh, NICHT in diesen ganzen Gruppen zu sein. Die offiziellen Infos der Schule gibt es anderweitig und auf die Hausaufgabendiskussionen habe ich eh keinen Bock und keine Zeit. Wenn was wichtiges ist leitet es mir die eine Mutter über #Threema weiter. Und bei der Arbeit verpasse ich in der #Whatsapp Gruppe leider leider die ständigen Fragen, wer für wen einspringt. Wenn konkret ich in Frage komme, kriege ich schon ne Mail. Finde also das Totschlagargument "ich habe kein WhatsApp" eher entlastend.
@neurovagrant Learning #Matrix and running your own #homeserver is very rewarding. I run #Synapse for my family and personal social circle (the way social networking should be), and to connect to other Matrix #spaces and #rooms. This includes bridges to #irc, #slack, #discord, #signal, #SMS, and so on.. Matrix is a super good and flexible way to serve you and yours. We even utilize the #WebRTC functionality for #E2EE voice and video chats. #digitalsovereignty should be way more popular. 😮💨
So we are about to lose access to WhatsApp, Apple and Facebook in the UK. If it happens I cannot imagine what the reaction of the public will be [irony]?
Seriously what on earth are the Tories thinking? They are as reliant on these platforms as the rest of us. Do they think that the tech companies are bluffing and that the UK is too important a market to exit? If they do, they could be in for an awful shock.
@bullivant I've just remembered that #signal also said they would withdraw from the UK. I think https://delta.chat/en/
would be a good alternative because it can use any email server, so there is no way to shut it down as long as you have the app. #whatsapp
@JorisMeys#Signal is miles ahead of #WhatsApp when it comes to security and #privacy. That’s a huge win for you and I hope you’ll manage to stick to it this time around.
@kkarhan you missed the point. I'm not using #Signal to hide from yhe govt, I use it because the app doesn't try to track everything I do on my phone in order to feed me more ads.
If I ever aspire to be a criminal, I'll use pigeons ;-)
(Signal is about the furthest I can push my mom. Ease of use is a thingy)
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Es ist wieder Zeit für eine Umfrage! Dieses Mal möchten wir von euch wissen: Welche Plattform nutzt ihr für Gruppenchats?
Falls ihr mehrere Plattformen nutzt, stimmt bitte für die ab, die ihr im Alltag am häufigsten verwendet. Sollte eure liebste Plattform nicht zur Wahl stehen, freuen wir uns über eure Kommentare.
Sobald die Ergebnisse feststehen, werden wir diese in einem Artikel auf GNU/Linux.ch auswerten.
Threema ist und bleibt der sicherste Messenger, der ohne Mobilnummer läuft daher 100% Anonymität bietet und den schon über 15 Mio. schlaue User gekauft haben!
Statt "Zwangseinwilligung": WhatsApp setzt jetzt auf "berechtigte Interessen"
WhatsApp hat seine Datenschutzrichtlinie aktualisiert. Als Basis für die Verarbeitung persönlicher Informationen dient noch immer keine klare Einwilligung.
@heiseonline Auszug aus deren FAQ. Wann sie dir widersprechen können:
[...] Wir können uns bei der Verarbeitung auf andere Rechtsgrundlagen als berechtigten Interessen stützen.
Nach einer umfassenden Abwägung des Für und Wider kommen wir zu dem Ergebnis, dass unsere berechtigten Interessen (oder die von Dritten) deinen Widerspruch überwiegen. [...]
WhatsApp is e2ee supposedly. Do I trust Meta on that? Is WhatsApp now acceptable to use for moderate privacy use cases like having a brief chat with Mom? I'm curious what everyone's take is?
@Tekchip In that particular situation, it's technically workable.
And yet, out of principle, most would probably argue that you'd still want to transfer over to something like #Signal. It's basically the same experience but far more secure and private.
Pawning your users to Cloudflare is not how you offer your users security; fedi admins must realize this.
I would love if just once an admin of a fedi host under #DDoS attack would have the integrity to say:...