publicvoit, to reddit
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

More and more previews stop working these days. Current example: my feed aggregator.

I want to emphasize that I've warned about that years ago:

Don't Contribute Anything Relevant in Like Reddit, , and for most parts of my arguments even :
https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/

dillo, to usenet
@dillo@fosstodon.org avatar

Playing with a plugin for to read messages. Posting may be doable too.

CC @yeti

The rest of the message.

pitrh, to usenet
@pitrh@mastodon.social avatar

Did you ever usenet? ... https://medium.com/tech-and-me/did-you-ever-usenet-437ccb6f9208 -- the article is from someone roughly my age, a reminder where we came from (and all social media, to my mind, have been half-assed attempts at re-inventing USENET) #usenet #history #news #nntp

tth, to random

Allo #interhack ! Un réseau #NNTP pour les hackerspaces francoscriptants, ça vous branche ?

Quinn9282, to SmallWeb
@Quinn9282@mas.to avatar

Redoing my #introduction again since it's now been a quarter of a year since I first joined Mastodon:

Hello! 👋 I'm an #autistic Gen Z-er born in the mid-2000s, and I go by the name "Quinn" (with he/him pronouns) on most Internet platforms. I'm a fan of #Indieweb, #SmallWeb, #RSS, #NNTP, and the #Fediverse! 😁

The only two social media platforms I currently use are Mastodon and YouTube. I haven't really dabbled with any other social medias at this point.

My website is https://quinn9282.neocities.org!

Quinn9282, to RSS
@Quinn9282@mas.to avatar

Came across this really cool service called Feedbase. It turns your #RSS feeds into #NNTP (Newsgroup) posts that you can comment on! It's definitely grown quite a bit in the last year per the statistics on the website.

Feel free to add your own RSS feeds to your blog or newsletter to the service on the website to help grow the service! It's currently hosting 861 feeds, and serving 5,319,339 articles at the time of this post.

https://feedbase.org

#Indieweb #Blogging #Newsletters #SmallWeb

otl, to usenet
@otl@hachyderm.io avatar

Accessing Mastodon and the fediverse via email:
https://www.olowe.co/tmp/fedimail.mp4
An experimental #IMAP and #SMTP interface.
I feel like #NNTP #Usenet interface would be more appropriate.
But gotta start somewhere!
Threading and replies work ok too (so far!).

@fediverse

TwiceShy, to usenet

If any of my fellow poor millennials are also interested in text based #Usenet and going back to the world wide web’s social roots.

https://www.eternal-september.org/

If you’re like me and too young to get the name. It’s a funny and kinda sad tbh part of net history.

Also very into the idea of trying to set up an off grid, text only, hyper local, community #LoRa #nntp server in PDX… anyone want to tinker? Is this a thing?

kyonshi, to bbs
@kyonshi@dice.camp avatar

set up a on my spare , and it works!

Mostly. I am still trying to get it to work with , and I still need to get email working.

I'm not sure why I should have a BBS in the first place, but there you go.

It mostly is actually intended as a server for groups. And it largely works. I can USE it as a server. I just can't pull any new articles from other servers right now, which makes this somewhat less than ideal.

amoroso, to usenet
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

The sad state of my quest for a Usenet NNTP GUI client for Linux.

Pan is awesome but the binaries of my Debian Bullseye based distro, Crostini, are ancient and buggy. The Pan project distributes no .deb or other packages. Building from source requires recent versions of tools not in Bullseye.

Very few other GUI options available. Even fewer with .deb or other binaries.

smallcircles, (edited ) to fediverse
@smallcircles@social.coop avatar

Added 15 projects to the Delightful Fediverse Apps list.

https://delightful.club/delightful-fediverse-apps

Finally got rid of the backlog in one list. Now finding courage and time to update the huge backlog of the Developer Resources list.

Nicest project? I really liked , a server that allows you to connect with an client to your instance..

https://koldfront.dk/git/illuminant/tree/README.md

chimay, to fediverse
@chimay@bsd.cafe avatar

With all that effervescence, I just rediscovered with , and realized that also support servers. Going back to the source in a way.

lispi314, to usenet
@lispi314@mastodon.top avatar

I have complicated feelings regarding and due to some server-centric aspects.

Granted due to message the death of any given instance isn't catastrophic and moving is largely unnoticeable, but it still puts some hurdles on usability in adverse conditions.

It still fulfills most of the characteristics handily, but that's still a nagging thought, since /most/ instances demand fairly high-uptime to peer and don't allow such instability from peers.

julianwki, to random German
@julianwki@chaos.social avatar

Betreibt noch jemand einen NNTP Server, an dem ich mit meinem Client mitlesen/schreiben kann? Very low traffic...

#nntp

lispi314, to usenet
@lispi314@mastodon.top avatar

> See, because you need an always-on computer in order to really reliably use #decentralized social media
Bruh. #Usenet, #Fidonet and #UUCP (#UUCPnet) beg to differ (no reason you couldn't use #NNCP for Usenet now if #NNTP isn't your thing).

So do #SSB and #retroshare.

That criticism is pretty much specific to #ActivityPub as commonly implemented.

The #Fediverse is more than just ActivityPub and will outlive it.

profoundlynerdy, to fediverse
@profoundlynerdy@bitbang.social avatar

and both allow custom headers, called X-headers. Does support anything like this?

publicvoit, to mastodon
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

I'd love to see a client that has features my client had a few decades(!) ago:

  • scoring based on regex of sender, keywords, ... + adaptive sorting according to scores
  • ignore this subthread (replys)
  • remember which message I've already seen(!)
  • marking my own messages as seen by default
  • ...

It's really astonishing that we are losing so many great features over time over and over again.

A Mastodon-to-NNTP-gateway could solve those issues instantly.

vga256, (edited ) to reddit
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

#tomo update for anyone interested in seeing how the sausage is being made with a new decentralized #nntp based better-than #reddit network:

  • the server software is a fork of Rocksolid-Light
  • the back-end for connecting to the server and reading/writing posts is 100% nntp protocol compatible.
  • you can connect to a tomo shard from any newsreader like thunderbird (win/mac/linux), tin, SeaMonkey, NewsTap (iOS) or even classic programs like Forté Agent and Netscape Communicator
  • posts written on the tomonet.* discussion group hierarchy are shared across all tomo shards.
  • posts written to private groups on your shard, stay only on your shard.

i'm currently rewriting the front-end so you can do anything from the web interface, without dropping to shell:

  • create your own discussion groups
  • delete messages, delete groups
  • permit/deny access to admin and moderator areas

the big job this week was writing a Roles & Permissions system (RBAC) so group owners, admins and moderators control who can read/post, create/delete groups, and so on.

running a tomo shard is running a #BBS in 2023: as a sysop you are responsible for your users' data, dealing with moderation, and carrying (and not carrying) the kinds of groups your users are into. i'm putting a massive amount of care into providing sysops and mods with the front-end tools for making running a shard enjoyable

project page here: https://tomo.city

vga256, to random
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

learning that several other decentralized #nntp projects have existed for a few years

reading about the NNTPChan protocol - it uses hashed message id's to produce unique nntp message-id headers across the network. seems like a great idea.

https://github.com/majestrate/nntpchan/blob/master/doc/developer/protocol.md

vga256, to reddit
@vga256@dialup.cafe avatar

while i'm sad to see circling the toilet, it only reminded me of how urgent it is that we finally ditch centralized social media. reddit itself isn't the problem - it's a symptom of a much more generalized problem we've had since FB became a thing in the late 00's.

i've spent the past week re-purposing, patching, porting, and expanding a great piece of software based on the same protocol that uses, for creating discussion groups. i'm calling it "tomo" (友 - 'friend') bbs.

some time soon folks can spin up their own tomo shards, create discussion groups in a similar manner to reddit, decide whether they want to keep the group restricted to their shard, or share the group with other tomo shards in a public network of discussion groups called tomonet. completely decentralized private or public discussions without supercorporation bs.

best of all, since it is based on plain 'ol usenet-like nntp, you can read and post to discussion groups from a 1977 VAX mainframe, a 1984 IBM PCjr at 2400 baud, an Apple Newton, or a brand new phone.

i can't wait to bust out forté free agent for windows 3.11 and get posting this weekend. 😎

profoundlynerdy, to fediverse
@profoundlynerdy@bitbang.social avatar

We really should consider services that are not #ActivityPub based but still a federated to be part of the #Fediverse and promote them accordingly. Self-hosting is a plus.

Email other than #Google #Gmail or #Microsoft #Outlook, such as #ProtonMail or self-host.

#Usenet is also federated and has been since 1979! There are free providers: https://www.big-8.org/wiki/News_service_providers. If one excludes binaries groups, it's possible to peer with other providers via #NNTP. Posts and groups are linkable in HTML.

lispi314, to fediverse
@lispi314@mastodon.top avatar

So are #SSB, #NNTP and #ActivityPub the main #social protocols to keep an eye on right now or are others also pretty active and/or with interesting features?

#SocialProtocols #Usenet

louis, to random
@louis@emacs.ch avatar

For anyone interested in #LispWorks #CommonLisp, I've just found a full archive of the lispworks-hug mailing list dating back until 2002 to today on the #NNTP server "news.gwene.org". The newsgroup is "gmane.lisp.lispworks.general".

The newsgroup can be easily accessed and searched with this GNUS setup (no auth required):

(setq gnus-secondary-select-methods
'((nntp "news.gwene.org")))

@svetlyak40wt
@vindarel

judell, to usenet
@judell@social.coop avatar

The linked conversation prompted me to post the table of contents of my 1999 book, Practical Internet Groupware: https://jonudell.info/groupware-toc.html

I wonder if I can just go ahead and make the book fullly available at this point. It earns O'Reilly next to nothing I'm sure, but may be helpful to some who are now building what was once called groupware.

Linked conversation: https://social.coop/@judell/110560448550802447

#Groupware #Usenet #NNTP #NetscapeCommunicator

lispi314, to fediverse
@lispi314@mastodon.top avatar

Imagine requiring several hundreds of megabytes to display less information than the average #NNTP client did for #Usenet in 1995.

That's #Mastodon and other #Fediverse #WebUI in a nutshell.

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