screwtape, to climate
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

#lispyGopher #climate coming up! https://anonradio.net:8443/anonradio
#haiku by @kentpitman https://climatejustice.social/@kentpitman/112401577767211950
Ageism, @mattof's novel phost
#lisp :
kmp's desktop environment idea from the 90s, and light shed on what FOO105 would have been 40 years ago with ams.
@louis , hayley, amber's responses about #veilid
A large thread about #commonlisp #asdf with @theruran on the mastodon.
#KnowledgeRepresentation https://codeberg.org/tfw/pawn-75
#Music @limebar's #faircamp !
#unix_surrealism @prahou
#lambdaMOO sushi

travisfw, (edited ) to random
@travisfw@fosstodon.org avatar

#Veilid dev docs start with a quote from #RBG:
"Fight for the things you care about, but do it in a way that will lead others to join you."
https://veilid.gitlab.io/developer-book/
#DWebResearch

screwtape, to Lisp
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@louis
(#veilid is a rust lib that creates a veilid node per application which participates in a network, and gets messages 'to you' to you from the greater network. You publish properties on 'your' node, or it has a torrenting form for larger media items). https://veilid.com
"Being a veilid node" is one page of rust
-> compile to .a
-> put in C
-> #CommonLisp cffi

What do you think about this unconventional private internetworking? I think "the #lisp community" should capture this.

jalcine, to random
@jalcine@todon.eu avatar

If you haven't checked out #Veilid yet, it's a scarily direct library one could integrate alongside your application to provide it with the ability to peer information across any stream you provide it (from my understanding!)

downey, to random
@downey@floss.social avatar

Great to see as a member of the Post-Quantum Cryptography Alliance to balance the voices of big tech. Have been tracking the hard work of @thegibson and others for quite a while now, and its P2P approach is one of the most inspiring developments on the horizon.

hazelweakly, to random
@hazelweakly@hachyderm.io avatar

I swear, so much complexity of my life right now comes from me wanting to be able to graphically draw out an interconnected hypergraph but also have a convenient textual representation of said hypergraph

I'm sure this makes zero sense to people. But ugh. It's so frustrating to have the ideas in your brain and just not be able to really tease them out in a useful way for others

Signed,
trying to figure out how to map "do the platform engineering thing more better" into strategy and architecture

SmallOther,
@SmallOther@techhub.social avatar

@hazelweakly

I really love this subject on several levels.

Sometimes I just want to visually ontologize GADT type signatures, TLA+, nCat, or traits/interfaces/header files. Bonus if it spits out graphviz.

Sometimes I just want a hierarchical state machine or dag that hides detail.

Sometimes I dream about building a graph editor in the browser, based on a very particular set of solutions ( #veilid for p2p, #egui for editor, #bevy for data, and #rapier for deterministic physics based layout). Layout is the really tricky part for building a graph editor I've found.

adele, to SmallWeb
@adele@phpc.social avatar

I've just tried

It's a static site generator. Unlike many others, Publii is a graphical application, very easy to use. It manages content edition with 3 different methods:

  • Wysiwyg editor
  • Block editor (inspired by Medium IHMO)
  • Markdown editor
    Adding images is simple, you can select one as featured for Organic data, put one in the header for the site or for each post.
    It runs on Windows, Mac and Linux.

https://getpublii.com/

mauve,
@mauve@mastodon.mauve.moe avatar

@lutindiscret @adele Ooo! Yes would be great to connect on that. Also regarding p2p been meaning to add #veilid and #iroh to the mix.

kubikpixel, (edited ) to web
@kubikpixel@chaos.social avatar

🛡️ When you are keen on web privacy, i.e. anonymity, what do you use? Is there actually a difference for you between @torproject, @i2p, @Freenet and and is their use important to you? Multiple selection possible.

(please share this survey, thank you :BoostOK:)

mousey,
@mousey@seattlematrix.org avatar
gwil, to random
@gwil@post.lurk.org avatar

More than ever, we need networking protocols which are resilient, privacy preserving, bandwidth conserving, able to run on low-spec hardware, and not quite as preoccupied with being the global network for everyone ever.

We’re delighted to present Willow, a new family of peer-to-peer protocols that cater to just that niche. https://willowprotocol.org is a guide to those protocols, with full specifications, ~50 hand-drawn diagrams, illustrations, and comics, and much more besides.

Our thanks to @NGIZero for supporting this project!

A screen capture of Willow’s Meadowcap specification. It has two drawings of different houses representing the different kinds of namespaces there are in the Meadowcap capability system.

smallcircles,
@smallcircles@social.coop avatar

@gwil

Very happy to learn about #WillowProtocol existence 😃 and @NGIZero for funding your project.

#OCaps oh my.. ping, ping, ping @spritelyinst see #MeadowCap:

https://willowprotocol.org/specs/meadowcap/index.html#meadowcap

Also a nice comparison page to other existing #p2p protocols, such as #Veilid #Hypercore #P2Panda and #Scuttlebutt..

https://willowprotocol.org/more/compare/index.html#willow_compared

cy, to random
@cy@fedicy.us.to avatar

@thegibson How does #Veilid compare with #gnunet ? They seem fairly similar projects, and I was wondering if concepts from Gnunet were used in Veilid's design.

https://gnunet.org

nonlinear, to random
@nonlinear@praxis.nyc avatar

I want to start thinking pixelfed

I know both pixelfed and mastodon run on activitypub, but it's strange I should have a different user/social graph (follow, followed, mute, block) on each of them. It defeats the purpose.

Isn't it the whole point? A non-corporate integration?

Or am I reading it wrong and you can reuse credentials across activitypub verticals?

msh,
@msh@coales.co avatar

@nonlinear ...anywho it never seemed to me that AP even intended to be an all encompassing "seamless integration between services" but rather just the data exchange amd interaction component...the evolution of RSS into something more fully interactive if you will.

What I think you are envisioning with "seamless integration" probably requires AP plus other open standards like for authentication, something based on like what @cwebber has long been advocating for authorizarion, and some agreed upon extensions to AP (maybe an AS vocabulary too?) to federate social graphs between instances/applications...and maybe for apps requiring better privacy and security we need to look at a rathere differewnt approach like

remixtures, to instagramreality Portuguese
@remixtures@tldr.nettime.org avatar

: "There are many technologies used behind the scenes to create decentralized tools and platforms. There has been a lot of attention lately, for example, around interoperable and federated social media sites using ActivityPub, such as Mastodon, as well as platforms like BlueSky using a similar protocol. These types of services require most individuals to sign up with an intermediary service host in order to participate, but they are decentralized in so far as any user has a choice of intermediary, and can run one of those services themselves while participating in the larger network.

Another model for decentralized communications does away with the intermediary services altogether in favor of a directly peer-to-peer model. This model is technically much more challenging to implement, particularly in cases where privacy and security are crucial, but it does result in a system that gives individuals even more control over their data and their online experience. Fortunately, there are a few projects being developed that are aiming to make purely peer-to-peer applications achievable and easy for developers to create. Two leading projects in this effort are Spritely and Veilid."

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/meet-spritely-and-veilid

thenewoil, to privacy
eff, to random
@eff@mastodon.social avatar

People are increasingly skeptical of big centralized intermediaries controlling our life online. Some new peer-to-peer projects may do away with intermediaries all together.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/12/meet-spritely-and-veilid

spacerog, to random
@spacerog@mastodon.social avatar

Getting ready to watch @BiaSciLab at @bsidesphilly give her talk on #Veilid

lightweight, to random
@lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

'“Please consider how crazy this system is,” Boyd told delegates from scores of nations attending the hearing. “States that are trying to tackle the climate and environmental crisis and safeguard the human rights of their people are being forced to pay billions of dollars in compensation to the very corporations that have caused this crisis. Instead of making polluters pay, states are paying polluters.”

https://insideclimatenews.org/news/21102023/un-protests-isds-as-economic-colonialism/

We need sharper, principled policy makers.

#CPTPPA #TPPA

screwtape,
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@alcinnz @lightweight
I'm writing a https://veilid.com/ #veilid implementation at the moment which resists corporate profiteering influences on communication. Do you think we could communicate over veilid about how great the remaining environment here is, and organising to save what we can? I don't even have a tenuous connection to NZ despite living here, so I am excited to find there are sensible people here too.

strypey, to random
@strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz avatar

@lispi314
> Servers really only solve issues by adding a bunch of new ones instead

No question. So people will flock to P2P networks when they can solve the problems servers solve for them at present.

@screwtape @ellenor2000

screwtape,
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@strypey @lispi314 @ellenor2000
yes, this is one of the key points of veilid. Currently, making a website for your friends involves an expensive amazonalike monthly bill, and more and more and more SaaSSs. With #veilid, it's a distributed hash table (like IPFS but made with little purchase for cloudflare to get their hooks into). So community tools are about community, not harvesting a monthly tribute to Bezos.

screwtape, to Lisp
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

028 / #100daystooffload gopher://tilde.club/0/~screwtape/synthember-100days-tooffload/028-emacs-orgmode-swank-mcclim-2-2.org
https://gopher.tildeverse.org/tilde.club/0/~screwtape/synthember-100days-tooffload/028-emacs-orgmode-swank-mcclim-2-2.org
@strypey I am #LISP #ExploratoryProgramming to reach #gopherMOO #VirtualReality via #gopher (using #clim in #emacs ) from #veilid. Do you think there is anyone in #aotearoa #NZ interested?
Not going to switch:

  • away from LISP to <LANGUAGE NAME IS A FINANCIAL MARK I DON'T OWN> for example
  • to web services
  • away from my communities already above
sbug, to privacy

I just setup a #Tor relay.
And I already have a #Veilid node up and running.

Maybe I should get more bandwidth from my ISP?

(Or how can I set max bandwith for veilid?).

#Privacy #SelfHost

screwtape, to Lisp
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

y show in I'm going to say 2 hours at 000UTC Wednesday on https://anonradio.net:8443/anonradio

screwtape,
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@rml @hayley @ramin_hal9001 @awkravchuk @prahou
I'm also planning on using to host https://veilid.com . Whose current implementation is rust, tying in a little to our thread. I still haven't trapped the white smoke inside the boxen to do this though ;_;
Noted gopher://gopher.club gopher @kaixin (jiangjun right?) is assaying to install

@kentpitman this week https://climatejustice.social/@kentpitman/111148023329645586
https://www.nhplace.com/kent/PS/About-PS.html

gamingonlinux, to random
@gamingonlinux@mastodon.social avatar

Stop. Putting. Important. Info. In. Discord.

Put it on the actual web, where it is searchable.

cmars,
screwtape, to emacs
@screwtape@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

First baby steps towards a install, then using together for what will later be my veilid internetworked first application.
Minimal example for clim application frames inside run from inside orgmode.

How can I start slime without the annoying new frame?
020 / please tell me either here or
gopher://tilde.club/0/~screwtape/synthember-100days-tooffload/020-veilid-orgmode-clim.org
https://gopher.tildeverse.org/tilde.club/0/~screwtape/synthember-100days-tooffload/020-veilid-orgmode-clim.org

cmars, to random

My latest project, still a "tech preview" but starting to come to life and supports some simple demo cases. Check it out!

https://gitlab.com/cmars232/ddcp

DDCP (Database-to-Database Copy) replicates #SQLite databases over #Veilid

It's a Git-like CLI for VLCN's CR-SQLite (https://vlcn.io), a Rust-native networking layer for reconciling database changes and an agent that publishes a database to peers.

Polynomial_C, to DEFCON
@Polynomial_C@mastodon.social avatar

#DEFCON
A must read:
#Veilid: A secure #p2p network for apps that flips off the #surveillance economy

‘It’s like #Tor and #IPFS had sex and produced this thing’
"The system means there's no IP address, no tracking, no data collection..."
https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/12/veilid_privacy_data/

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