eBikes

bmdv, German
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🎶🎸 'I want to ride my bicylcle' ist nicht nur eine Strophe aus einem bekannten Queen Song, sondern auch in 🇩🇪 Programm. 🚴 : Bei uns gibt es mehr Fahrräder als Einwohnerinnen & Einwohner!

Eine Studie des Zweirad-Industrie Verbands (ZIV) zeigt, dass der - bzw. E-Bike-Bestand im vergangenen Jahr auf 84 Millionen angestiegen ist. 🥳

Darunter sind 11 Millionen , welche auch im Rahmen des steuerbegünstigten Dienstfahrrads gefördert werden.

ctietze,
@ctietze@mastodon.social avatar

Also meine sind immer weg, irgendwer muss 10 haben

marcprecipice,
@marcprecipice@xoxo.zone avatar

No. You’re thinking of cars. #EBikes

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

The UPP battery I got for the tandem project has been okay, afaict (or might be part of the hangup that happens in regen braking), but I hate that it has this XLR plug with that fiddly sliding plastic cover, also seems to lack a fuse, unlike the previous generation of generic downtube pack (dolphin) that had a barrel connector charge port. I can see the argument against the barrel connector, but why have a 3-pin port and not include a thermistor?

https://ebikes.ca/learn/connectors.html

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

in any case, I'm thinking of a generic charge controller to cut off at a given voltage or temperature, and maybe report the charge level over http / ethernet, if anyone has hardware+software suggestions. I think there's a teensy in a box here somewhere, maybe lacking an ethernet module or something, or do we just do a raspberry pi with a whole linux stack and plug in 3-5 somethings on USB for the voltage sensing and relay thingy? (not all e-bikes are in the same spot but maybe 15ft of usb...)

stfn,
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@enobacon not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but I have a post how to measure and relay voltage with a RPi Pico https://stfn.pl/blog/22-pico-battery-level/

graham_freeman,
@graham_freeman@mastodon.social avatar

Dual-motor ebike report: Temperature of rotors + motor after 1 mile of steep descent.

Bike: R&M Packster 40 cargo e-bike
Total weight: 330 pounds (bike + passenger + rider + cargo)

Braking:
front wheel: 70% regenerative braking / 30% rotor braking
rear wheel: 100% rotor braking

Front rotor: 91F (warm but not too hot)
Motor: 95F (warm but not too hot)

Rear rotor: 211F(!) (don't touch!)

Conclusion: Regenerative braking saves a lot of wear and tear on rotor brakes.

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enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

@graham_freeman that weight is like just me and the kid + snacks, bike adds another hundred-ish 😂

brad262run,
@brad262run@mastodon.online avatar

“the number of customers using #bikeshare in the U.S. and Canada is now at an all-time high. Thank you, #ebikes” ⚡️ 🚲
#bike #infrastructure is crucial for the success of #bikeshare programs”
#Bikes, of course, should be located near exiting #transit stops, but developing strong partnerships with #transit agencies can also lead to cross promoting services and sharing information” https://enotrans.org/article/e-bikes-and-creating-financially-sustainable-bike-share-programs/ #cycling

NewNordicNormal,
@NewNordicNormal@c.im avatar

Several old friends came to visit my wife for her birthday. She wanted to ride on a nearby trail, a 5km ride. One friend hadn't biked in 20 years, and was not really wanting to ride that far.

So my wife leant her friend the e-bike, and took an old hybrid bike. The friend was blown away: "this is sooo much fun!".

That's what can do. People who just aren't interested in biking get to have fun on a bike again.

jhilden,
@jhilden@vis.social avatar

Right, wrong or ”it depends”?

From the perspective of a non-technical user, an e-bike that is built and designed to use a motor will generally be superior to a regular bike turned into an e-bike with a conversion set.

At least in Finland conversion sets are fairly rare. Arguably there are obvious issues with the vendor lock-in that major brands like Bosch push on their users, but the reliability is okay and there are certified maintenance shops.

jhilden,
@jhilden@vis.social avatar

By ”non-technical” I’m here thinking of someone who rather leaves anything more advanced than fixing a flat or changing brake pads to the bike shop.

afewbugs,
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"Electric vehicles as a whole displaced about 1.5m barrels of oil a day globally in 2022, according to Bloomberg. Two-thirds of that – almost 1m barrels a day – was just from electric bikes and mopeds, which are known as electric micromobility."

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2024/apr/11/evs-are-booming-but-electric-bikes-are-really-cutting-emissions

#eBikes #ElectricBikes

ivo, German
@ivo@nrw.social avatar

Gibt es eigentlich von , die keine Software in den Fahrrädern verwenden sondern auf setzen? Bestenfalls sogar ohne , oder ähnlichem -Bullshit?

BrentToderian,
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STUDY: “The findings suggest that E-Bikes not only serve as a crucial alternative to cars but also complement limited transit services.” Via @sciencedirect #EBikes
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0966692324000437

enobacon, (edited )
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

other than market or bias toward absence of real hills and cargo, why are there no with both crank+hub drive motors combined?

Hub motors give smooth power and regen braking but can't gear down for steep slopes. Getting started with the crank drive gets the hub up to an effective speed without putting so much force through the chain (and human-scaled cassette) while the hub bridges the shifting gaps. Regen braking greatly reduces brake pad maintenance & extends range.

jef,
@jef@mastodon.social avatar

@enobacon I think I've seen a bike with both front and rear hub motors. Maybe we need all three!

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

@jef that was my original plan for the bakfiets, but I like keeping the rear light so I can lift it and wheelbarrow around obstacles. The longtail has a similar ability to lift the front wheel and pivot. Spreading the traction to both wheels might be worth the added front weight for some applications but I think you need a fairly large geared hub motor to get good regen braking.

the5thColumnist,

Bringing out the summer today so please no more

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

I think they had me at "large sprag clutch", but how do I connect a throttle control? #eBikes toSeven #DM02 mid-drive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_X0pQhWjk

Andres4NY, (edited )
@Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it avatar

@enobacon That looks pretty attractive. DM02 pricing seems to be on par with a BBS02. The DM01 pricing seems a bit high for what it is.

edit: and then i spent the next hour and a half reading/watching reviews..

gremlins,
@gremlins@cijber.social avatar

searching for e-bike recommendations for my disabled ass, that won't break the bank and have an amount of cargo capacity even if it's like a few bags of groceries (more is better, i'm a disaster)? I need to nearly-never pedal and especially not up any hills or anything

please RB 🥺 #ebikes #boost #accessibility

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

"Finally, we find that even when #eBikes incentive programs are designed cost-effectively, the costs per ton of #CO2 reduced still far exceed those of alternatives or reasonable social costs of GHG emissions. We conclude that the argument for allocating public funds for e-bike incentive programs must be based on the co-benefits of e-bike travel and ownership, and not solely on GHG reduction" (like the 40k/yr people killed with cars, injuries, asthma & sedentary diseases)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1361920924000713

enobacon, (edited )
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

Or we could account for the cost of driving as simply road wear and maintenance, plus the high cost of housing for cars (through subsidizing car parking, mandatory parking requirements, that non-drivers pay in their rent and groceries, anywhere that charges below market rent for parking spaces.) Or, who pays for all of the space between destinations, that makes it too far to walk?

Tengrain,
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A friend sent me this from the NYTimes:

“Bicycle deaths in New York City hit a 23-year high in 2023, according to new data from the NYC Department of Transportation. Of the 30 cyclists who died last year, 23 were riding electric bikes. “

So I looked up the article, and that is all it says; that’s the entire thing. Nothing about how they died, just that they died.

It seems that the #NYTimes is having a War on Bikes, especially #eBikes, and I wonder why.

#Urbanism

Tengrain,
@Tengrain@mastodon.social avatar

⬆️

I’m going to assume these bicyclists were hit by cars (not an unreasonable assumption), so why is the #NYTimes framing it that #eBikes are somehow dangerous, and not #cars?

Are bicyclists just keeling over dead?

This “news” is really garbage.

#Urbanism

Tengrain,
@Tengrain@mastodon.social avatar

⬆️

One final thought (well, maybe 2), but does anyone ever notices that the word “crash” is almost never in the reporting, and 2) when these things are reported, they never mention that there are #DRIVERS in the #car; but sure, #bicyclists are keeling over dead.

It’s really weird how the #NYTimes can shift-blame everything in such a short blurb.

#Urbanism

enobacon, (edited )
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

a tilting steering trike with suspension, that you've never heard of because it has a 250W motor and 16in front wheels. #eBikes carrying this much load need more power and gear range than a pencil sharpener, and regen braking. (but you can lock the tilting from the handlebar, so that's cool for low-speed stuff.)

https://youtu.be/BvMdedcKHR4

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

@acdha let's make the outside lanes of every 4-lane urban street into bus/bike-and-turn-only while we're trying to figure out how fast the e-bikes are allowed to go

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

the removable locking tote on each side of the frame is super cool, but the removal locking is over-complicated, just put a latch lever inside the locked box.

davidzipper,
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In Bloomberg CityLab, I wrote about a new study that explores the power (and limits) of e-bike rebates.

TLDR: E-bike incentives can compel more people to ride (especially those with moderate/low incomes), unlocking benefits for public health, street efficiency, and urban quality of life. But they're an inefficient way to fight climate change.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-28/how-cities-can-get-the-most-of-e-bike-rebate-programs?srnd=citylab-transportation

#ebikes #bikes #cities #climatechange

rivoluzioneurbanamobilita,
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@davidzipper very interesting findings.

I think that from a local administration point of view, investing in bikes with the only objective of reducing CO2 emissions would be very short-sighted. I would love to see if this could affect traffic ( and so public space use) more than everything. Moreover an investment as such would work best accompanied to infrastructure improvement towards active mobility, is this happening too?

enobacon,
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@davidzipper this conclusion only accounts for the cost of carbon emissions and likely way underpriced, besides my experience that e-bike miles each displaced 3 car miles, and the safety-in-numbers impact where each person on a bike encourages others to ride.
Dismantling car supremacy has way more climate impact than your individual car's co2 emissions

"[at $51/2500 miles] an individual e-bike would need to replace over 200,000 miles of car travel..."

enobacon, (edited )
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

In the last five years, #eBikes caused only 3.8% as many injuries as bathrooms. Wear your bathroom #helmets, and shame your friends and family until they stop taking baths

without a helmet.

tmstreet,
@tmstreet@urbanists.social avatar

@enobacon I have fallen on my head once. But I was running without a helmet.

david_megginson,

@enobacon I have no skin in any e-bike safety debate, but my skin crawls when I see nonsense statistics.

Only about 7% of Americans use an e-bike at least once a month (according to YouGov), and they likely use them a lot less often than they use the bathroom. Also, bathroom injuries happen disproportionately to people with disabilities or the elderly, because it can be wet and slippery, have sharp corners and edges, and is often visited during the night when balance isn't at its best).

enobacon,
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Petition by to fix Oregon's proposed law.

"As currently written, HB 4103:
...would restrict some of the most affordable styles to [16yo and up]
...[allows localities to] ban the use of certain e-bikes from accessing multi-use paths and trails
...Enforcement based on e-bike class will be highly subjective and confusing for users
...Misses the mark on providing a clear definition... [cargo / 4 wheels, bigger motors]"

https://secure.everyaction.com/-b6pbKHC4EuOc0QPk9dtcA2

cy,
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I suppose I just don't care enough about e-bike policy. "Relating to electric micromobility vehicles; declaring an emergency." What emergency?

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

@cy the legislative emergency is a formality that allows it to start on passage instead of next fiscal/legislative year or something. It's still just a task force / study group, nobody is being granted an emergency e-bike dispenser or anything.

fbaum,
Edelruth,
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Cargo ebikes: does anyone with practical experience have an opinion on basket in front, or to the rear?


natknight,
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@Edelruth My family have one of each, which we use for groceries and family trips with two little kids. I generally prefer the basket-up-front model: it's nice to be able to see the kids, and to be able to chuck a bunch of stuff in the basket without having to pack it into paniers.

davidnewman,
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ai6yr,
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@davidnewman 😬 😱

cyclingelectric,

Quite an exciting reveal today from Gocycle - the longtail is here and as expected it's very different to much of its competition, even if only for its 22kg weight. Can't wait to try this one:
https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/gocycle-cargo-bikes
#ebikes #cargobikes #electricbikes #logitistics #urbanliving #commuting #transport #cycling

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

@cyclingelectric highly expensive for a front hub motor e-bike, with all the weight on the back wheel and no user-serviceable parts. No fenders?

ChrisMayLA6,
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Now that's what I call a Cargo Bike - this CaGo from Denmark is now available here - if #ebikes are the future for #urban travel, then this must make a strong showing for the #delivery part of that idea.

(Mind you, they're not cheap)

#cycling

https://www.cyclingelectric.com/news/ca-go-electric-cargo-bikes-now-available-in-uk

Krux_22,
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@ChrisMayLA6 In my youngest preschool they had a kind of ebike buss. They went for 5 km trips into the library in the centre of town for example in that.
Similar to this.

christineburns,
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@Krux_22 @ChrisMayLA6 In Manchester we have actual cargo bikes for hire on street corners. The bikes, painted bright yellow, are unlocked for hire with an app and the bin portion includes kiddie seats. I often pass them with two or three children seated whilst Mum pedals them to the local shops.

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