yurnidiot,
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benroyce,
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@yurnidiot

context:

harvesting #durian in the #philippines or #thailand

someone up high is cutting off the fruit and dropping it down

it's a heavy hard fruit, a hit to the noggin is definitely life threatening, and durian has killed

it also has lots of big sharp spikes, that's how it catches in the burlap

i'd be dead within the first hour of work

catching durian

benroyce,
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@yurnidiot

the view of the #durian harvesting process from the guy or gal up in the tree:

harvesting durian

cassandracorvid,
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@yurnidiot

In my experience, only management is unskilled labor.

@SonofaGeorge

samhainnight,
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@yurnidiot There's no such thing as unskilled labor, there's only undervalued labor.

csstrowbridge,
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@yurnidiot

I couldn't find the exact quote, but it was something like, "Labour only seems unskilled if you've never seen someone with skill do it well."

ketmorco,
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@yurnidiot if #UndercoverBoss has taught me anything, it's that all "unskilled labor" is harder than any CEO's can do

MaybeMyMonkeys,

@yurnidiot you don’t want to know what it would cost to buy and program (even with AI) a robot that could do all that. Pay them more money.

maub,
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clive,
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@yurnidiot

I’ve written a lot about robotics and I can tell you it’s incredibly, incredibly difficult — and expensive — to develop robotic arms that could grab soft, easy-to-damage items like that and toss them into packaging without bruising them

and even if you can get the correct robotic arm and gripper, everything else has to be designed so that the box is in the exact right place, etc.

clive,
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@yurnidiot

that final move, where the worker grabs the box flips it shot and moves it off? That’s literally a whole other nightmare for a completely different robotic system

this is why it’s comparatively easier to impress people with “AI” that just manipulates images and words – they don’t need any of this proprioception, flexibility, and common-sense reasoning about the physical world

This physical-world stuff requires massive amounts of everyday smarts

eichin,
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@clive
To be fair, you wouldn't toss them at all :) unboxing is hard, but the complications here are (1) not enough space for the robot (2) food safe grippers are tricky (3) she's probably implicitly rejecting gross ones that you wouldn't see in this speedrun :)
@yurnidiot

clive,
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@eichin @yurnidiot

Yep precisely

These workers are doing constant judgements that require not just visual recognition but a common-sense knowledge of the world

As for grippers, Soft Robotics has some very deft food-safe ones that could do this sorting

but the ones suitable for food sorting aren’t the ones that can move the box

and as you point out, it’s a tight squeeze for one robot there, let alone another for box handling

eichin,
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@clive @yurnidiot Yeah. I shouldn't do driveby workcell design :-) but there are in-line box-closers/sealers/labellers (they'd just drop in further down the conveyor belt.) And I've worked on half-pallet workcells (intended for easy reconfiguration, ie. "we're doing a batch that we know the robot can't handle, pallet-jack the robot out and put a person in for a shift or two") that would fit there - but at least 4ish years ago couldn't get anywhere near human rates.

eichin,
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@clive @yurnidiot would definitely need a lot of work to get something even vaguely price-and-speed-competitive with the human. (This is how roboticists end up being in favor of raising the human wage floor - not on ethics grounds, but because robots are basically never competitive with exploited humans :-)

clive,
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@yurnidiot @eichin

😅 true

thepoliticalcat,
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@yurnidiot That lady has it down to an art-form.

PadreWil,
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@yurnidiot 👍🏆

Deus,
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@yurnidiot "Our environmental friendly e-robotic arm can do that." - some TechBro

RickiTarr,
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@yurnidiot That is mesmerizing.

paezha,
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@yurnidiot

At least as skilled as running around with a ball getting your brain mushed to the consistency of soft cheese by other skilled people.

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