mburr, to fediverse

Does the have a federated answer to any of the following?

  • Signatures for my outgoing messages? (outside of the post's text itself)
  • Real-time group chat (discord)
  • Video "hangouts" (zoom, skype ...hangouts [google])
  • Privacy (signal, telegram)
  • or anything that's in use

It looks like "youtube" is covered already, but any about that is appreciated. The knowledge about what's best or hot at any time is also federated 😕

marqle,

@mburr

I would not trust Telegram for

I'd choose or or maybe with

the latter could be incorporated and it was talked of at one point. It would also fulfil the function and with room to boot

marqle,

@SergoZar @jabberati @mburr

From my perspective, that's the whole point. #signalapp, #threema and #matrixchat have been independently audited.

None of the others have, so we have to assume the worst in all the other cases. That's just good sense.

All we have from #Telegram and #Facebook's #whatsapp are promises, promises from from two companies who keep breaking their promises.

ct_Magazin, to Bulgaria German

Mit Telegram WhatsApp-Nachrichten schreiben? | c't 3003

Die EU zwingt WhatsApp, mit anderen Messengern kompatibel zu werden. Erreichst du in Zukunft also WhatsApp-Kontakte über Telegram & Co? c't 3003 checkt's aus.

https://www.heise.de/news/Mit-Telegram-WhatsApp-Nachrichten-schreiben-c-t-3003-9306452.html?wt_mc=sm.red.ho.mastodon.mastodon.md_beitraege.md_beitraege

ErikJonker, to Signal
@ErikJonker@mastodon.social avatar

Please people, leave Whatsapp, join Signal, the monetization of Whatsapp is inevitable... "Meta mulls putting ads in WhatsApp as it seeks revenue boost"
https://www.ft.com/content/41f334a5-856c-4512-b550-eb6062036224

HistoPol,
@HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

@ErikJonker

I agree wholeheartedly, even though #Threema is probably the safer choice.

https://mastodon.social/@HistoPol/110989338549425682

ErikJonker,
@ErikJonker@mastodon.social avatar

@HistoPol interesting, why is safer then in your view ?

HistoPol,
@HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

@ErikJonker

Very welcome.

Also, the two "nerdy" alternatives given are probably even better (XMPP, Matrix,) regarding safety.
It never caught pn and security awareness in the general public is next to non-existent.
There are also interesting Swiss and French solutions w/o any significant international reach.
Better to have a 90/95% solution and use it than having none at all.
This is why I think pushing is the best compromise, though has merits, too.

isotopp, to random German
@isotopp@chaos.social avatar

Eine Bekannte schreibt:

"Ich wollte mal die E-Scooter ausprobieren und habe mich mit meiner Handynummer registriert, woraufhin mich die App fröhlich mit „Hallo Kevin“ begrüßte. Sieh mal an, hieß der Vorbesitzer der Nummer also Kevin."

Wenn Ihr Systeme baut, die Telefonnummern als ID verwenden solltet Ihr das im Hinterkopf behalten.

caos,
@caos@metalhead.club avatar

@isotopp Also mindestens #Marix #XMPP #Threema und #Wire laufen sehr gut mit ohne Handynummer @energisch_ @Hasecaesar @newdefined

danie10, to technology
@danie10@mastodon.social avatar

WhatsApp will likely set the global standard for messaging interoperability: This is Why and possibly What

The world already has quite a few good open-source, E2EE and secure messaging protocols like XMPP, Signal, MTProto, Wickr, Wire, and more. But none have ended up dominating across messaging apps. Also, there is no defined W3C open standard for messaging, like ...continues

See https://gadgeteer.co.za/whatsapp-will-likely-set-the-global-standard-for-messaging-interoperability-this-is-why-and-possibly-what/

tallship,

@mjj @danie10

Threema, yes. In fact, it may have been from you or Danie that I originally learned of it. #SimpleX, no, I'll need to look into that.

There's also @snikket_im which I haven't really taken the opportunity to testdrive either, but circling back to #Threema, I see...

https://threema.ch/en/faq/libre_installation

I'm not seeing any #SlackBuilds, but there's a .deb and .rpm so I can make one.

The Centralized, proprietary nature of the server... well, I'd prefer otherwise, but reg is only 5 EU.

.

slink, to telegram
@slink@fosstodon.org avatar
danie10, to Bulgaria
@danie10@mastodon.social avatar

Thank You EU: WhatsApp working on cross-platform interoperability with other messengers

The European Union has recently reached an agreement on a significant competition reform known as the Digital Markets Act (DMA), which will impose strict rules on large tech companies that will have to offer users the ability to communicate with each other us ...continues

See https://gadgeteer.co.za/thank-you-eu-whatsapp-working-on-cross-platform-interoperability-with-other-messengers/

Pancuronium,

@danie10 We will see, if it becomes a good vor Bad thing.
As far as I know whether nor are happy with it.

heiseonline, to Signal German

Britische Regierung will WhatsApp & Co. vorerst nicht zur Chatkontrolle zwingen

London will IT-Anbieter nicht zwingen, Inhalte in deren Plattformen zu kontrollieren, wenn das nicht möglich ist. Das könnte die Verschlüsselung retten.

https://www.heise.de/news/Britische-Regierung-will-WhatsApp-Co-vorerst-nicht-zur-Chatkontrolle-zwingen-9297535.html?wt_mc=sm.red.ho.mastodon.mastodon.md_beitraege.md_beitraege

netzpolitik_feed, to random German
@netzpolitik_feed@chaos.social avatar

Der Digital Markets Act der EU soll sicherstellen, dass große IT-Firmen ihre Marktmacht gegenüber anderen nicht unfair ausnutzen. Nun hat die EU-Kommission 6 Firmen zu "Gatekeepern" erklärt. Ein IT-Riese glänzt durch Abwesenheit. https://netzpolitik.org/2023/digitale-gatekeeper-einer-fehlt-im-club-der-grossen/

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@nomain @Natanox @Pabamiti @netzpolitik_feed @signalapp nein, #Signal ist kein deut sicherer als #WhatsApp, #MicrosoftTeams, #Slack, #Telegram, #Wickr, #Session, #Threema oder was auch immer...

Alle #zentralisierten #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider - Lösungen sind inhärent unsicher!

Das fängt mit #CloudAct an und endet damit dass Signal nicht nur fähig sondern offen willens ist, #Cyberfaschistisch|e #Embargos durchzusetzen!

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@Pabamiti @Natanox @nomain @netzpolitik_feed Und selbst #Threema ist wegen der Zentralisierung unsicher, weil da reicht es einfach den Traffic zu deren Systemen aufzuzeichnen ..

Nur kompett dezentralisierte Systeme die komplett #SelfHosting-fähig sind (#eMail mit PGP/MIME & #XMPP-#OMEMO) können sicher sein, wenn diese korrekt aufgesetzt und konfiguriert sind - bei allen Beteiligten.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@Pabamiti @Natanox #Threema ist auch nur marginal besser.

ALLE Dienste die #zentralisiert und #SingleVebdir & #SingleProvider sind, sind inhärent unsicher...

Als #Gegenbeispiel kann ich @torproject und @linux nennen:

Wären beide nich #FLOSS und #dezentral, man hätte den Maitainern schon vor Jahren ne Waffe an den Kopf gepresst und diese zur Abschaltung des Netzes (#Tor) und Integration von #Govware (#Linux) gezwungen.

Die Verunmöglichung eines Erfolgs blockierte das.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8

heiseonline, to Signal German

Britische Regierung will WhatsApp & Co. vorerst nicht zur Chatkontrolle zwingen

London will IT-Anbieter nicht zwingen, Inhalte in deren Plattformen zu kontrollieren, wenn das nicht möglich ist. Das könnte die Verschlüsselung retten.

https://www.heise.de/news/Britische-Regierung-will-WhatsApp-Co-vorerst-nicht-zur-Chatkontrolle-zwingen-9297535.html?wt_mc=sm.red.ho.mastodon.mastodon.md_beitraege.md_beitraege

kuketzblog, (edited ) to random German
@kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de avatar

Benutzt du noch ? Ich frage, weil ich mal einen Beitrag zur datenschutzfreundlichen Nutzung schreiben wollte. Ja, mehr Datenschutz bei WhatsApp und für die eigenen Kontakte ist wirklich möglich. 😉

SilverSurfer,

@kuketzblog

Noch nie benutzt ...

dafür habe ich den Leuten dann lieber einen Googleplay - Gutschein gegeben, damit sie sich eine vertrauenswürdigen Messenger-App wie #Threema kaufen können.

smallcircles, to privacy
@smallcircles@social.coop avatar

Yes, you can ditch now..

https://organicmaps.app

is here. Use it while offline and feel good about a -respecting app that doesn't suck you dry of your personal information. Based on this app is gonna blow out of the water (hopefully ;)

distopico,

@HistoPol
@smallcircles
No sure about #Threema but #Signal is a centralized service that use Google Api and doesn't allow redistribute/publish is free service such as #FDroid, what about #XMPP or #Matrix ?

HistoPol,
@HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

@MartinBe

Thanks for pointing this out.
An alternative app must run on Android and Apple to be acceptable, non-exclusive for the general public.
For me, not fond if the #RottenApple and its data practices and lock-in policies, #Signal will not be a solution in its current version, then.

I think I read that #Threema doesn't suffer from this issue?

@smallcircles

kino,

@distopico @HistoPol @smallcircles
has an f-droid repo:
https://threema.ch/en/faq/libre_installation
Actually one of the few projects taking advantage of the fact that f-droid is built to be

HistoPol,
@HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

@raphaelmorgan

(3/4)

...a playstore. Yes, paying with a credit card or mobile payment like PayPal or ApplePay is a traceable action. Having the app might be an issue in some countries and might become one, if the French justice ministry gets its way (all e2ee is suspicious--see TL,) but what kind of world will we be living in, if owning an e2ee messenger app becomes illegal?

And then, the way I understand it, #Threema never gets your phone number. If you use TOR or VPN, I don't see much...

thatmanmatt, to random
@thatmanmatt@toottoot.eu avatar

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  • HistoPol, (edited )
    @HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

    @Laberpferd
    100%

    However, I have registered #Threema without having to provide my cell number, it is optional.

    Of course, I have to use mobile internet, when I am on the move, but I can use a VPN.

    So, where do you see the risk with #threema?

    And, besides, mobile phone calls and SMS seem a lot lesse secure to me.

    I once had a discussion with a cyber security pro what means of communication is really safe: meet at a remote location in person, that's about it.

    Point being:

    Laberpferd,
    @Laberpferd@sueden.social avatar

    @HistoPol @thatmanmatt
    The last time i looked at #Threema (a few years ago) it was mandatory to run it as app on a phone.

    Did i miss a major change and it can now be used on a #Linux Laptop without a phone?

    No sarcasm, im seriously interested.

    Also which anonymous payment options do i have in germany, perhaps give someone cash?

    Laberpferd,
    @Laberpferd@sueden.social avatar

    @HistoPol @thatmanmatt
    > So, where do you see the risk with #threema

    No risk with Threema

    Its over my personal red line where i have to legally verify name, address and face photo to get a SIM card in the first place

    Then anything i do around the phone around is attached to my person and can be taken for legal or illegal use

    This is espically worrying me with the rising fascism

    HistoPol,
    @HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

    @Laberpferd
    100%.

    So, what do you do if you need a phone for your life but live in a country where this is required.

    Also, I have read a bit about #Threema. If you do not provide your cell phone number, there is no information whatsover on their servers about who ist doing what that can be linked back to your phone, at leas that is my understanding so far.

    I have done quite some data integration from different sources. If there is no primary key that liks across sources (or...

    @thatmanmatt

    HistoPol,
    @HistoPol@mastodon.social avatar

    @Laberpferd @thatmanmatt

    ...and attribute field that can be linked with another source). So, as long as you do not provide a PII like a name, etc., in your posts, I think you are quite safe.

    Of course, any other form of communication from your phone is not safe. But that is beside the point and why I would use #Threema whenever possible.

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