amoroso, to emacs
@amoroso@fosstodon.org avatar

The rootwork v0.2 blog posted about the author's journey through text editors, from classics such as vi(m) and Emacs to tools I've never heard of. They explain what they use the editors for and why.

https://write.as/hobbsc/wandering-words-on-text-editors

#TextEditor #emacs #vi

RL_Dane, to vim
@RL_Dane@fosstodon.org avatar

When you're in a web browser and and end an input form with [Esc]:wq

;)

Ronald, to linux Dutch
@Ronald@mastodon.nl avatar

Fijn onderwerp voor #Linux übernerds om zich eens lekker af te kunnen zetten tegen de sukkelaartjes die niet vloeiend zijn in VIM. Want als je geen liefhebber bent van #VIM (een soort editor uit het stenen tijdperk) dan ben je af (zie comments onder het onderwerp).
Nano is prima bruikbaar voor de meeste klusjes aan de CLI, laat ze verder maar lekker kletsen.
https://tweakers.net/nieuws/221570/nano-80-is-uit-met-betere-hotkeys-voor-knippen-en-plakken-en-nieuwe-zoekfunctie.html

koen,
@koen@procolix.social avatar

@Ronald wat jammer dat er geen #holywar bordje zit in de emoticons.

De mensen uit de comments hebben in zekere zin gelijk. Als je goed #VI of #VIM of #Emacs beheerst is een editor zoals #nano een vertragende factor.

Voor de chauvinisten hier, Vim is een Nederlandse uitvinding! Jammer dat de uitvinder overleden is: https://nluug.nl/nieuws/bram-moolenaar-overleden/

linuxgal, to vim
@linuxgal@techhub.social avatar
ewen, to vim French
@ewen@mastodon.fedi.bzh avatar
lacouvee, to random
@lacouvee@mastodon.online avatar

hello there people of Mastodon - how's life? Feeling very disconnected from the "social" web these days. How about you? Is it still fulfilling a need?

amgine,
@amgine@mstdn.ca avatar

@lacouvee

Well, with 100 million more users, we had to expect a lot more influx of social media farmers.

It is a fortunate/unfortunate thing: #ActivityPub is becoming a very large mass, thereby attracting ever more attention both good and bad.

But as its mass approaches ∞, more and more people will have the ability to block/opt-out of everything outside their chosen community, and to migrate.

We should build a #VI-centric ActivityPub instance with @chris, maybe a Diaspora or something.

dhry, to Logseq
@dhry@mastodon.social avatar

Ok, how the heck do I activate these "hotkeys" in #Logseq?!

dhry,
@dhry@mastodon.social avatar

@spinningthoughts Thanks. Yep, figured it out about 10 mins after posting that, despite Google not being any help at all. "Navigation mode" is the term. I clicked outside the text and was like g h constantly and nothing. Then I learned you can press esc while typing and get into this diff mode. g h again did absolutely nothing. Until I realised that Go Home took me to where I was already and that's why it "did nothing". Look at #Logseq trying to be #vi. Huh. Thanks again though!

danie10, to linux
@danie10@mastodon.social avatar

10 Things You Probably Didn’t Know You Could do With Nano Editor

OK, you probably do know at least one or two of these, but I’ve added the auto backup, line numbers, mouse support, and scroll bar to an alias for every time I start up nano.

See https://itsfoss.com/nano-tips-tricks/

tallship,
@tallship@social.sdf.org avatar

@danie10

Not a huge fan, as I find that #Vim
is usually much faster for me, but I do use it in a pinch here and there, although I alias nano to #pico ;)

On #NetBSD, at least at #SDF, nano is still the default install from the U of Washington contribs (not pico).

The other half of that equation is #pine (alpine). When running #mutt, I do use nano over that of #vi for authoring my emails.

Thanks for sharing those #ProTip's Danie :)

#tallship #FOSS #nano

.

hl, to emacs
@hl@social.lol avatar

At work I have to do a lot of development in an on browser based IDE, which means no nice #emacs movement shortcuts like I'm used to, and moving around the code is painfully slow. The IDE does support #vi movements though, which I've been trying as a 'better than nothing' solution, and yeah, it's still hard. I don't think I'll ever get used to the logic of: if "h" is left/back, then "j" is down, and not up. Arghhh.

chfkch,
@chfkch@ruhr.social avatar

@hl
I feel you. Considering to swap those in my local setups, but then i run into problems elsewhere again.

#emacs #vi

ericsfraga,
@ericsfraga@fediscience.org avatar

@hl Not that it will help but the logic was that C-h was backspace so h moves left and C-j was linefeed so j moves down. Doesn't, of course, explain k and l... 🤪
#emacs #vi

drwho, to linux in [Q] Terminal navigation and Editors
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Ouch ! A lot of people actually tend to suggest that also, while I only tried vim once, I just uninstalled it after I had to google “how to exit vim” :| ! It was way to much of a hassle to just edit text :/. But as I read above, and as you said, just learning the basic stuff is enough to begin to like it and get comfortable.

vi and vim take a little getting used to. There’s no shame in needing a cheatsheet; I used one when I was getting used to it (and the first time I had to use it in an emergency, I was looking up what I needed pretty much every minute). This looks like it might have something useful.

Ultimately, what got me used to vi was using it every day to write blog entries (because, at the time, it was still hand-crafted HTML). I just had to use it a little every day.

I think it would be helpful if you used vi a little bit to get used to how it feels. It couldn’t hurt to use Micro for a week, also, for the same reason. There’s no rush, there’s no deadline, give yourself a week of each to play around with them.

As for updating the keybindings, I don’t think it’s a good idea, because the minute you find yourself on a system that doesn’t have them installed you’re back to square one. And, if you’re in the middle of fixing something you probably won’t have time to import them (and you may not even be able to, depending on what’s wrong).

…doesn’t nano still have the menu bar at the bottom by default? I know pico (its predecessor) used to.

rdfhrn, to linux German
@rdfhrn@hessen.social avatar

Da sagt so'n Typ in der Schulung #vi ist wie notepad aber unter #Linux

Ich raste gleich aus

vosje62, to random Dutch
@vosje62@mastodon.nl avatar

Volgens Johan Derksen hebben de anonieme klagers schuld, niet Van Nieuwkerk zelf
https://www.volkskrant.nl/cultuur-media/volgens-johan-derksen-hebben-de-anonieme-klagers-schuld-niet-van-nieuwkerk-zelf~ba80ca0e/

Manmanman...
Dat er nog gekeken wordt naar dat programma.
En dan wordt er ook nog over geschreven.

#vi

muz4now, to Banjo
@muz4now@mastodon.world avatar
louis, to emacs
@louis@emacs.ch avatar

Hate Lisp and don't like Vi? You can still use Emacs!

Micro Emacs is a Lisp-less version of Emacs for the terminal. It's Linus Torvald's preferred choice and part of #OpenBSD base install (mg).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroEMACS

#Emacs #Vi #Vim

AstraKernel, to linux
Setok, to emacs
@Setok@attractive.space avatar

The #hacker/detective in #MurderAtTheEndOfTheWorld tested to see if another person was a hacker by asking them if they preferred #emacs or #vi. Apparently any hacker would have an uncontrollable reaction to that question.

Obviously Emacs is the correct answer.

necrosis, to apple German
@necrosis@chaos.social avatar

Wenn mir langweilig ist starte ich in Elektronikmärkten wie MediaMarkt auf den dort den 🤭

SweetAIBelle, to random

This might sound silly, but I installed virt-manager to make things a little easier when using qemu, then created a new virtual machine with debian 12 on it... then installed qemu on that.

The actual reason for this is to make github account separation a little easier...

If you get virt-manager set up properly, it definitely makes using qemu easier, though. I practically just had to tell it to make a new virtual machine using this iso with this much memory and this big of a hard drive, and it was right at the debian install screen. (Set it up with xfce...).

Main tricky parts were that I had to install libvirt first, make myself a member of the libvirt user group, enable the service, and install dnsmasq. Not great, but could've been worse...

Used debian on the virtual box just for a little variety. I like to keep my hand in on different distributions a bit.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

U mean, peaople say #vim / #vi is hard, but compared to #SCORE it's like #LibreOfficeWriter & #Scribus compared to using #ed / #sed & #awk to write mathematical formulas in #LaTeX by hand on a Teletype...

But then again those that can do the latter really know their shit backwards and upside down so hats off to them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGo4PJd1lng&t=195s

bytephantom, to infosec
kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@bytephantom /me *points towards because is , / / ain't noob-friendy and people using & to edit files are like - type of ...

Also it has a cool with menus so even better than .
https://ne.di.unimi.it/

sysop408, (edited ) to random
@sysop408@sfba.social avatar

Been on BlueSky a few months and only have 16 posts. Someone’s already called me a dipshit.

Been on Mastodon well over a year and have yet to be called a dipshit.

I have however been called an ableist asshole for commenting on someone’s ADHD rant declaring his hostility for neurotypical people ruining his life, despite that I also have ADHD and grew up being told my only problem was my poor personal habits when I tried to get help.🤦‍♂️

The ablest asshole comment was a lot more insulting given the context, but I think I prefer that as at least I know why someone’s so pissed… and it’s kinda funny.

The other just feels like random violence.

potungthul,
@potungthul@toot.io avatar

@CraigNimlet
@selzero @sysop408

Ok, fine, I'll ruin the joke by explaining it.

Vi is a text editor with no menu/mouse, so everything is done by keystrokes. Keypresses are commands, so typing "hi" triggers the 'h' command (Move Left) and the 'i' command (Insert Text).
People who don't know Vi end up typing strange things when trying to issue commands, e.g. to quit Vi to go back to a program with which they are more familiar.

Your bio said "IT guy" so you'd be expected to know this.

#Vi
#Vim

geffrey, to conservative
@geffrey@pkm.social avatar

Would totally dedicate a blog to plain text.

#PlainTextExperiment #PlainText #preservation #blog

thorstenzoeller,

@dhrystone @geffrey #vi - the one and only.

1HommeAzerty, to Orange French
@1HommeAzerty@mamot.fr avatar
cyclotopie,
@cyclotopie@mastodon.gougere.fr avatar

@flomaraninchi

Oh, on est 2 à pas s'être décidés à migrer de #tcsh....?

Bon après si je pouvais scripter le velouté ce serait en #bash. C'est que pour la cuisine interactive que j'ai pas le courage de recoder mes p'tits raccourcis qui vont bien pour sortir la poêle en fonte ou éditer le réglage du four en #vi.

publicvoit, to Podcast German
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

@stdevel machte mit @fabrik42 @knoppi und mir eine spannende Episode zu und .

Auch der kam durchaus öfters vor.

Wenn du noch nicht viel über die Themen weißt oder noch unschlüssig bist, solltest du dir das mal anhören - gibt einen guten Überblick über diese ziemlich ausgereiften Powertools.

https://focusonlinux.podigee.io/70-emacs

:emacs: :orgmode:

chfkch,
@chfkch@ruhr.social avatar
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