petrillic,
@petrillic@hachyderm.io avatar

Capitalism distilled.

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@petrillic

"The profits of the shareholders matter more to Boeing than customer safety.

Republicans really hope the public understands that letting 300 to 400 people die several times a year is simply an economic tradeoff necessary for shareholder satisfaction.

Like the tech companies, we fear "activist" hedge fund managers like Chris Hohn who may order the board to resign, agitate for mass layoffs, manipulate stock prices, or other self-harming conduct."

stehgeiger,
@stehgeiger@hessen.social avatar

@petrillic Exactly the headline I want to read about an airline.
No wonder you can now exclude certain Boeing models from flight platforms

lzg,
@lzg@mastodon.social avatar

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Hash,

@lzg @petrillic
Airbus from Europe is winning over Boeing. Boeing designed 737s as an addendum. So not much attention paid to design and quality.

sarajw,
@sarajw@front-end.social avatar

@Hash @lzg @petrillic Airbus obvs looks better right now but they also have a serious order backlog (like in the thousands), just like Boeing.

No one is able to make planes fast enough, airlines can't just switch and buy Airbuses instead. They are indeed too big to fail, because the industry needs them to keep going. But better.

TofuTheSquirrel,
@TofuTheSquirrel@piaille.fr avatar

@sarajw @Hash @lzg @petrillic the industry need them to keep going, but do we need this industry to keep going ? I don't think so 😄

sarajw,
@sarajw@front-end.social avatar

@TofuTheSquirrel @Hash @lzg @petrillic Yeah, no. I know.

I have family in three countries now - thankfully mostly within Europe - and it pains me how much more complicated, expensive and unplannable rail travel is (looking at you, SJ.se) compared to flights.

TofuTheSquirrel,
@TofuTheSquirrel@piaille.fr avatar

@sarajw @Hash @lzg @petrillic yes it's a shame. And yes, prices are crazy high ! But how can we expect a long distance train industry to develop while it's concurrenced by an aviation industry that allowed to cause that much pollution for free ?

sarajw,
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@TofuTheSquirrel @Hash @lzg @petrillic also trruuueeeee.

To be fair, the flight costs are rising - if we could have booked the train at the same cost or even somewhat more we'd have done it on the spot. They were definitely comparable.

It was the lack of being able to plan ahead that put us in a bind - @jon would agree with me on this specific SJ grumble!

jon,
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@sarajw @TofuTheSquirrel @Hash @lzg @petrillic There are two aspects here: is rail at a competitive disadvantage? YES. Could rail improve, regardless? ALSO YES.

zemsgram,
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@lzg @petrillic I fear that when it does eventually affect their financial performance they are counting on the govt to bail them out because Boeing is “too big to fail”. I hope I’m wrong.

sarajw,
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@zemsgram @lzg @petrillic just replied further down the thread with: https://front-end.social/@sarajw/112115639717791497

So you're not wrong that they're too big to fail, unfortunately.

fluffykittycat,
@fluffykittycat@furry.engineer avatar

@zemsgram @lzg @petrillic nationalize Boeing and make sure the leadership gets nothing

wtrmt, (edited )
@wtrmt@mastodon.social avatar

@lzg @petrillic Boeing is pivoting to reality TV.

sarah,
@sarah@phpc.social avatar

@petrillic @wyatt I don’t think this balance is per se indicative of a problem.

As an aviator I understand that the only 100% safe flight is the one that doesn’t leave the ground. Boeing must make a product that is mostly safe and also turns a profit.

The problem I see is they’ve focused too much on financial performance over safety. And that’s the wrong play.

billyjoebowers,
@billyjoebowers@mastodon.online avatar

@petrillic

All these companies that struggling to maintain a balance between profit and the public good–maybe we should help them out and remove that problem.

maddad,
@maddad@mastodon.world avatar

@petrillic

In other words,
"If we have to lose a few to make a profit... So Be It."

jbqueru,
@jbqueru@fosstodon.org avatar

@petrillic At least the software industry has a notion of technical debt, when we knowingly cut corners that we know we'll have to deal with later.

samhainnight,
@samhainnight@mstdn.social avatar

@petrillic If anyone wants to know how Boeing went from an extremely reliable airplane manufacturer to the dumpster fire that it is, I suggest they watch the episode of John Oliver’s This Week Tonight about it.

The merger with morally absent McDonald Douglas was only part of it.

PeachMcD,
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@petrillic
the actual fine line is btw profit & regulatory compliance
Which is where buying comes in

Benito Mussolini's definition of is the melding of & State

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@PeachMcD @petrillic

Right now, billionaires can just buy themselves a fascist government.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/leonard-leo-supreme-court-billionaires-america-right-1234989877/

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/14/trump-tiktok-billionaire-donors-00146892

It's absolutely bizarre how certain Republicans are just now cluing into the fact that billionaires are funding an anti-democracy movement.
https://deadline.com/2024/03/don-lemon-elon-musk-interview-1235861399/

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@PeachMcD @petrillic

Republicans certainly bought into the idea of making money off dying Americans...

https://inequality.org/great-divide/updates-billionaire-pandemic/

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar
roofuskit,
@roofuskit@mstdn.social avatar

@petrillic "how many people can we endanger before it costs us too much?"

ncrav,
@ncrav@mas.to avatar

@petrillic perhaps they'd understand if they were personally responsible for their lack of care and respect for the passengers, of course with the kind of protection they have it's hardly a possibility.

Krisss,
@Krisss@mastodon.nl avatar

@petrillic How is this about capitalism most of all?

memeticist,

@Krisss @petrillic absent capitalism, boeing would not have a stock-prices-first approach

planes are expensive enough to fairly compensate the labor required to produce them; boeing already has enough financial performance

in general, engineering firms should put safety first, no compromises or exceptions

pomme_s,
@pomme_s@framapiaf.org avatar

@memeticist @Krisss @petrillic absent capitalism and still airplane for many people, you believe?
I'm not fan of capitalism, not even flying, but.

memeticist,

@pomme_s @Krisss @petrillic possibly! no boeing means no airbus, and airplanes were only needed for business for about three decades, during which it wasn't very safe or predictable

Krisss,
@Krisss@mastodon.nl avatar

@memeticist @pomme_s @petrillic
About time we can just say beam me up (or to New York), Scotty 😉

andrewfeeney,
@andrewfeeney@phpc.social avatar

@petrillic

Fly Boeing.

“Technically still safer than driving.”

Seilenos,
@Seilenos@queerspirituality.social avatar

@andrewfeeney @petrillic Although, tbh, I've never had a door blow out of my Subaru after leaving the house. 😄

andrewfeeney,
@andrewfeeney@phpc.social avatar

@Seilenos @petrillic My Toyota Corolla has never dropped out of the sky without warning and ploughed into the ground at hundreds of miles an hour due to a software “feature”.

dbc3,
@dbc3@mastodon.world avatar

@andrewfeeney @petrillic

Fly Boeing

"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"

andrewfeeney,
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