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hamishcampbell

@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social

An organic intellectual: Please ask questions here

Political and tech - On the political side, there is arrogance and ignorance, on the geek side there is naivety and over- complexity

#fedi22 #openweb #opensource #4opens #OMN #technology #tech #social #grassroots #boatingeurope #lifeboat #DIY

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hamishcampbell, to random
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#boatingeurope some churches seen from the back waters of France
https://photos.app.goo.gl/TJ6X4beXDNHvdezZA

timbray, to random
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This is actually not about XML, despite the title, it's about us geeks being fashion victims, and I really enjoyed reading it. https://www.bitecode.dev/p/hype-cycles

hamishcampbell,
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@timbray #fashernisa and #geekproblem are good hashtags for this.

hamishcampbell, to random
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#boatingeurope 4 years ago on the flooded Danube Delta we could not move our boat because the current was too strong so we got the big ferry to the local town for shopping. https://photos.app.goo.gl/hmZ3Tawse985RTSUA

hamishcampbell, to random
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Taking a friend's narrow boat down the Thames #boatingeurope

hamishcampbell, to random
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#boatingeurope cruiseing the #danube delta in our live abound lifeboat 4 years ago
https://photos.app.goo.gl/fcchRzUtEdohFxgb8

hamishcampbell, to random
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Looking at the world I see "common sense" insanity and mental illness as the dominating social paths. This wave has been building for 40 years and is maybe finally building to a crest. To get any good outcome small groups of us have to surf down this cresting wave of social madness and disintegration to plant the seedlings of fresh growth in the compost of todays and worshiping decay.

hamishcampbell,
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I get the feeling we are running on dregs on the Dev side, social movement come in waves this one is ebbing into the no bad thing but not I think what any of us won't for "our"

hamishcampbell, to random
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The mess we make http://open.live.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/6/redir/version/2.0/mediaset/audio-nondrm-download/proto/http/vpid/p0frp70q.mp3

From both the right and the left.

We can use the #4opens to mediate this mess makeing.

hamishcampbell, to random
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The mess we make https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjUAk3s1BuY no more navigation on the Dnipro river for a long time #boatingeurope

damon, to fediverse

I believe those that built #activitypub and that have projects and or major influence within the #Fediverse should absolutely come together to provide education, information, stability and uniformity. Especially, as there’s this incredible growth is happening. It would clear up any misinformation. People by nature like things clearly defined. I believe with #Barcelona coming soon, Mozilla’s #Mastodon instance and those migrating from #Reddit now is an opportune time.

hamishcampbell,
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@adar @damon @Hamishcampbell

yep, It's something that came out of a lot of work on #socalhub and outreaching #activertypub to the #EU

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/working-and-thinking-on-native-openweb-aproches-to-governance/2898

hamishcampbell,
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@damon @Hamishcampbell @adar yes and no, people in general do not see the need to move beyond the #feudalism of #FOSS governance... in this they spend a lot of time #blocking

So the #OGB project is a build it permissionless and let it loose, people will see the value or not.

A different and much larger group of people are empowered in tech and can build consensus and push the "social" agenda they need.

It's a #KISS project.

Edent, to internet
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🆕 blog! “Why did Usenet fail?”

This is annecdata - not a serious academic study. Adjust your expectations accordingly. When I first got online, the World Wide Web was still in its infancy - so CompuServe was my gateway to the Internet. I loved their well organised chat room. A couple of clicks and I could be discussing Babylon 5 with […]

👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/06/why-did-usenet-fail/
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#reddit #usenet

hamishcampbell, (edited )
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@Edent you are describing the #geekproblem with the blindness to good #UX how can we communicate the "problem" to our #geeks as have been trying to do this for 20 years and they still don't want to hear it

openfuture, to opensource
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We are about to kick off a campaign that sums up our critical engagement with the term “openness”. Every Wednesday for the next 10 weeks, we will be sharing resources on where #OpenMovement currently stands 📬 Looking forward to your feedback!

#OpenAccess #OpenEducation #OpenSource #OpenData #OpenWeb

hamishcampbell,
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@openfuture @witchescauldron Good, what are your thoughts on #4opens as a useful social retelling of #foss development as a tool to build consensus to move away from the current social #techshit mess.

atomicpoet, to fediverse

First off, @evan sees this from the perspective of someone who's co-authored #ActivityPub. It's his job to spur and enable adoption -- and that's something he's done exceptionally well for 20 years. Of course he wants to help Meta abide by open standards. Which, even if you dislike Meta, you would hope they would do.

My perspective is as one who is building products that compete with Meta. Ideally, I would like people who use Meta to migrate away from there and instead use #Calckey, #GreatApe, and the numerous options available on #SpaceHost.

But even from the perspective of a competitor, I want interoperability with #Barcelona. And even more, I want interoperability based on open standards.

Yes, yes, yes -- "embrace, extend, extinguish". At this point, that phrase is a broken record.

But every time that phrase comes up, I keep asking folks: when has the "extinguish" part of "embrace, extend, extinguish" ever worked?

People say #RSS, but RSS is still here and I use it every day. Hell, Calckey even has an RSS widget and it works like a charm. RSS is not extinguished.

People also say #XMPP, but I can run an XMPP server right now -- no problems. People say XMPP "died" because it's no longer as popular now, but is it because Meta and Google dropped support, or is it because Slack, Discord, Signal, WhatsApp, and even Matrix have come along to eclipse it in popularity? Regardless, even if XMPP is no longer so popular, it's not extinguished.

The most ludicrous example of "extinguish" people bring up is Gmail's dominance of email. But email is the most popular communications technology we have today, even though it's 50 years old. What's more, look at the raw stats. Gmail is only 18% of the email server market -- that's no monopoly. Go have a look at the stats for yourselves:

https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/email_server

Suffice it to say, email is not "extinguished".

The pessimistic notion that we will "lose" by allowing Meta to interoperate with ActivityPub -- again, an open standard -- just doesn't convince me. In fact, if Meta is adopting standard ActivityPub, I think "losing" is impossible.

With Meta adopting ActivityPub, we're not losing. We're winning. We're not conceding to Meta by adopting their proprietary APIs for interoperability. They're conceding to us by adopting ActivityPub.

Again, I'm not saying you should all federate with #Barcelona. I'm saying that Meta adopting an open standard that allows for interoperability is a win because, remember, they're adopting our standard. We're not adopting theirs.

Some also ask, "But what if Meta does a bait-and-switch and drops ActivityPub support?"

Well, there's kind of precedence for that.

Not enough people realize this, but Google once adopted the predecessor of ActivityPub. Specifically, they used OStatus for Google Buzz. Certainly, like many Google products, Google Buzz shuttered.

But the development for an open social media protocol lived on, and we all use what was developed right now.

No doubt, if Barcelona becomes Meta's Google Buzz, ActivityPub will live on. It will still be developed. We'll keep using it.

In the meantime, I'll consider ways to help Meta users migrate to platforms that I believe are better.

RE: https://calckey.social/notes/9f9xt5dzh2

hamishcampbell,
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@mike @atomicpoet @oblomov @evan

yep, the current problems are social more than technical http://hamishcampbell.com/

hamishcampbell, to random
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The overgrown garden at my parents house we are archiveing

hamishcampbell, to random
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Generations of working change challenge history, you need to take part and support them.

https://visionon.tv to document in video our history and our future – to inspire and inform.
https://campaign.openworlds.info a place for fluffy activism and progressive change.
https://activism.openworlds.info a place for spiky activism and deep change.
https://unite.openworlds.info/ a place to organise and code this change/challange.

A place to pay for the upkeep of all this if you have the means https://opencollective.com/open-media-network

dannotdaniel, (edited ) to bluesky
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UNSCIENTIFIC OPINION POLL

I know how I feel... (I like the Fediverse) But how about YOUR anonymouse thoughts...

#BlueSky is:

hamishcampbell,
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@dannotdaniel all these poles show the shift to #mainstreaming from the huge influx, we have a big cultural mission to keep the #openweb #4opens

"Common sense" in #mainstreaming is an easy-to-understand problem we need to compost, shovels come to hand.

hamishcampbell, to random
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A long video but worth some time https://youtu.be/au33QX9I-Mg from the #XR crew.

hamishcampbell, to random
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A definition of the #geekproblem the inability to think in humane messiness.

kristian, to random

Big social is good for marketing.
Fediverse is good for communication.

hamishcampbell,
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@rabble @kristian I have been arguing strongly that the Fediverse does not need encrypted DM's and that this function should be outsourced to chat apps.

Implementing encrypted DM's rases the bar on sever admins/codebases to be more security consues and capable... currently they do not have to be as practically everything is in the #open, security is a white lie.

On the image the is no padlock on the paper plans and no fixed path on their flight, we built this way for a recision #4opens

mike, (edited ) to random
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I'm going to hit Mastodon with some cold truth.

The world needs a replacement for Twitter. Full stop.

Mastodon needs to be the next step in that evolution, we need to be Twitter plus.

We need feature parity with Twitter . That includes QTs.

We need easier onboarding, discovery and search.

We need to know which instances will provide safe spaces for marginalized groups.

It's not a matter of what we want, it's a matter of what's needed right now at this point in history.

hamishcampbell,
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@mike the is a lot of poison in this for the #openweb do you start to understand why #mainstreaming is the problem, not the solution you are looking for #KISS

hamishcampbell, to random
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https://www.theverge.com/23711172/google-amp-accelerated-mobile-pages-search-publishers-lawsuit this is a story about the power we have with the #openweb to push back the mess the #dotcons make.

"Google is still the web’s biggest and most influential company. But across the publishing industry, it’s no longer seen as a partner. AMP ultimately neither saved nor killed the open web. But it did kill Google’s good name — one not-that-fast webpage at a time."

DataDrivenMD, to random

Increasingly clear that quote posts are the key differentiator between BlueSky and Mastodon

hamishcampbell,
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@DataDrivenMD I would look at this more as non-tech people and #fahernista advisers... it's a #openweb outreach problem... ideas please?

hamishcampbell, to random
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Using the power of #4opens

The #4opens has many useful roles, one that needs highlighting now is grassroots tech projects being pushed aside by obviously parasite #NGO and #fashernista tech projects that grow from them.

Over the last 20 years, in my in-depth expirence this happens in every case

The open process makes visible this #techshit, so we can compost it at source.

Use the #4opens in all your grassroots tech, please.

hamishcampbell,
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@steveediger what did you think of the #4opens as a social restating of #FOSS dev process?

hamishcampbell,
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This is exactly what the https://unite.openworlds.info/Open-Media-Network/4opens/issues is about, we have to build consensus to take the step you talk about #KISS

At the moment, we have a libertarian cats mess. This is natural #blocking that
people need to stop and take the step #4opens, then the next step #OGB etc.

Talk is hot air, mowwwow ;)

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