ottaross, (edited ) to Camping
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Yay - verified that a sealing dispenser valve (for their camping fuel bottles) does indeed fit perfectly on an fuel bottle.

Getting any Swedish Trangia gear here seems almost impossible, but I've coveted one of these dispenser caps for ages. Saved a few bucks and I get to reuse my MSR bottles by just buying a replacement dispenser cap.

skrishna, to space
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NASA made a big announcement about a flagship Mars mission yesterday and well…it was a little odd.

Here’s everything you need to know about what’s happening with Mars Sample Return:

https://youtu.be/ERIhWfbr0lo

65dBnoise, to space
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NASA Invites Media to Mars Sample Return Update

will host a media teleconference at 1 p.m. EDT, Monday, April 15, to discuss the agency’s response to a Mars Sample Return Independent Review Board report from September 2023, including next steps for the program.

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-invites-media-to-mars-sample-return-update/

65dBnoise, to random
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NASA SpaceFlight had a very interesting live interview with Travis Brown, PhD, 's current Chief Engineer. Travis said that in spite of an original though/assumption that Ingenuity's rotors had hit the ground during landing of , they now tend to believe that it was rather a very hard landing that damaged the rotors, since there is no evidence anywhere on the regolith of a blade hit.

Earlier fact list here:
https://mastodon.social/@65dBnoise/112032961625951266

65dBnoise,
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had a software change recently (after the crash) that allows it to store data it collects (in non volatile memory previously used for flight, I presume), and it can now collect certain data for about 20 years. So whenever the rover is within radio range, maybe when it'll be coming back from the mountains to deliver the samples to the lander, it may be able to download the collected data, assuming of course that Ingenuity will still be alive to say hello and do the transfer.

65dBnoise, to random
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Remember talking about mining Mars for profit the other day?
https://mastodon.social/@65dBnoise/112044915370642272

"Most firms that have announced business plans to launch rockets to the Moon [...] have been doing so with the intent of selling services or lunar water to NASA or other parties fulfilling government contracts. Put another way, there has been no wealth creation, and ultimately, NASA is the customer."

By Eric Berger

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/03/mining-helium-3-on-the-moon-has-been-talked-about-forever-now-a-company-will-try/

? or just ?

65dBnoise,
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@Legit_Spaghetti
They may treat the Moon the way they want, in their fantasies. It'll take some time until some of those companies manage to soft-land crafts in an upright position and do more than take a few pictures, and generations until they be able to transport heavy equipment to do any kind of profitable operation, not to mention building the rest of the infrastructure needed for maintaining such equipment. Meanwhile, many important NASA missions suffer budget cuts, e.g. the

65dBnoise, to space
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"An added degree of uncertainty is the ongoing agency reassessment of the overall MSR architecture, prompted by an independent review that found the current approach to MSR is behind schedule and over budget. That effort is scheduled to be complete in March."

https://spacenews.com/congressional-letter-asks-white-house-to-reverse-msr-spending-cuts/

#NASA #MSR #Solarocks #space

65dBnoise, to space
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While dissecting 's status update on (https://mars.nasa.gov/technology/helicopter/status/509/ingenuity-reestablishes-communications/), one observes the following:
• Quality of communications, i.e. good or marginal, is not reported.
• Visibility plots suggest that the should be in deep radio shadow, a fact that would make signal loss probable; but such an expectation is not mentioned. Instead it was reported earlier that comms "terminated early".
• The report does not hint on a correlation between

1/

65dBnoise,
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mentioned as a cause for the loss of comms.

After arriving at Neretwa Vallis, was apparently used mostly as a test-bed, flying 7 (+1) flights around the same riverbed terrain. Important to remember that there will be one or two Sample Retrieval Helicopters in the Mars Sample Return mission (), so testing s/w and new capabilities in the actual environment of Mars is a huge benefit to that future mission.

It all remains to be seen.

6/6

65dBnoise, (edited ) to random
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#Ingenuity could fly faster if its navigation system could cope with rapidly changing NAV imagery, which the heli uses to figure out its way to the destination. But the onboard processor has already reached its limits.

Then, how did the #MarsHelicopter achieve a new speed record lately (now at 10m/s)? Well, for that it had to break the altitude record too 😀. By flying higher the ground in the images appears to move slower, so higher speeds became feasible.

https://www.nasa.gov/missions/mars-2020-perseverance/ingenuity-helicopter/nasa-uses-two-worlds-to-test-future-mars-helicopter-designs/

#Solarocks

65dBnoise,
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In December #Ingenuity is expected to perform two high-speed flights during which it will execute a special set of pitch-and-roll angles designed to measure its performance. The team designing the next generation of #MarsHelicopter (which will be used in the Mars Sample Recovery mission, #MSR), will use the data from those flights to fine-tune their aero-mechanical models of how rotorcraft behave on Mars.

#Mars2020 #NASA #Solarocks #Space

65dBnoise, to space
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Mars Sample Return mission:

"[T]here is “near zero probability” of Nasa’s plan succeeding on its current budget.
[...]
[S]everal leading scientists have called for the mission to be scrapped"

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/nov/12/experts-split-over-nasa-mission-to-mars-costs-rocket

65dBnoise, to space
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has tested scaled models of the (Mars Ascend Vehicle) of the (Mars Sample Return) mission at the Marshall Space Flight Center wind tunnel facility.

Despite it being only 24 inches long and 14 inches in height and width, the tunnel can achieve supersonic speeds of up to Mach 5 (about 3,800 mph).

Read the rest here: https://mars.nasa.gov/news/9485/historic-wind-tunnel-facility-testing-nasas-mars-ascent-vehicle-rocket/
Video of a test: https://mars.nasa.gov/system/video_items/6178_MAV_NCA_FlowVis.mp4

65dBnoise, (edited ) to space
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What's ahead for ?

• At least 70km of drive until 2028,
• 6 possible landing sites for the Sample Return Lander ()
• A full cache of 33 samples

Those and much much more, regarding the reality and expectations of both the and missions in the Independent Review's Mars Sample Return Report. Get it here:

PDF: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/mars_sample_return_independent_review_board_report.pdf
News post: https://mars.nasa.gov/news/9483/nasa-releases-independent-reviews-mars-sample-return-report/

65dBnoise,
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Regarding the Sample Retrieval Helicopters () of the mission:

There may be only one, higher reliability helicopter, due to the different way of carrying / deploying it from the

studioeoin,

@65dBnoise Great reading! Thanks for pointing it out.

65dBnoise, to space
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is currently 50 meters from the top of the elusive Gediz Vallis ridge, and right in front of an array of ridge rocks, ready to “snack” on for a few sols.

Some of these rocks got named after famous places on Earth, e.g. Επίδαυρος (the ancient theater), Μύτικας (the summit of Mt. Olympus), Χελμός (where the springs of Styx), and Πάτμος (where the Book of Revelation was written).

Report by Natalie Moore

https://mars.nasa.gov/msl/mission-updates/9466/sols-3926-3927-martian-tapas-with-a-view/

65dBnoise, (edited ) to space
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That's a first, IIRC!
#Ingenuity targeted by the SUPERCAM telescope!

(And hopefully not zapped with the laser 😬)

EDIT: @leplanetolog found an earlier one on Sol 82, from a 110m distance. See it later in this thread.

Processed, leveled according to JSON metadata, cropped SUPERCAM_RMI
Sol: 879, RMC: 43.0000, LMST: 11:49:31
Original: https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020-raw-images/pub/ods/surface/sol/00879/ids/edr/browse/scam/LRF_0879_0744970745_266EBY_N0430000SCAM03879_0030I6J01.png
Credit: #NASA/JPL-Caltech/LANL/CNES/IRAP/65dBnoise

#Perseverance #MarsHelicopter #Mars2020 #Solarocks #Space

65dBnoise,
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@lffontenelle @PaulHammond51
Having fly on weekends would be a smart way to have (some of?) the team work on the s of the project during weekdays, and then run the helicopter on weekends. One would expect the budget for such an operation to be much smaller, and that would allow the mission to be extended without much difficulty to the end.

I'm just speculating, of course.

65dBnoise, to space
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What happened with 's anomalous ?

"[...] the helicopter executed the first half of its autonomous journey, flying north at an altitude of 16 feet (5 meters) for 466 feet (142 meters). Then a flight-contingency program was triggered, and Ingenuity automatically landed."

Read the rest here: https://mars.nasa.gov/news/9457/nasas-ingenuity-mars-helicopter-flies-again-after-unscheduled-landing/

Note: Teddy Tzanetos is now team lead emeritus for Ingenuity, apparently working on 's

65dBnoise, to space
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"Mars Ascent Vehicle Second Stage Test: A development motor based on the second-stage solid rocket motor design for NASA’s Mars Ascent Vehicle (MAV) undergoes testing March 29. [...] An important part of the NASA-ESA Mars Sample Return campaign, the MAV would be the first rocket fired off another planet."

Link: https://mars.nasa.gov/news/9448/nasa-mars-ascent-vehicle-continues-progress-toward-mars-sample-return/

65dBnoise, (edited ) to space
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Moving on.

finished work at Ypsilon Lake and drove ~55m to WSW along the (guessed) planned route, where it stopped and took some pictures. One of them is attached below.

Processed, undistorted, cropped NAVCAM_LEFT
Sol: 854, RMC: 41.0562, LMST: 15:04:11
Original: https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020-raw-images/pub/ods/surface/sol/00854/ids/edr/browse/ncam/NLF_0854_0742763369_112ECM_N0410562NCAM03854_04_195J01.png
Credit: /JPL-Caltech/65dBnoise

EDIT: Updated the map with an intermediate stop.

65dBnoise,
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@PaulHammond51
:) If it doesn't disappear again behind a mountain or in a ditch, I think we'll get back to the good old days, with hundreds of HELI_NAV images coming a day or two after each flight.

And if it can get some of the dust off of its solar panels, then it may live to meet its relatives in '29 or whenever the mission occurs. 🙃

I'm feeling optimistic today 😀

Just to keep a long established habit live, the map shows my wild guess for .

65dBnoise, to TeslaMotors
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«NASA had asked for $949 million to support its Mars Sample Return mission, or MSR, in fiscal year 2024. [... T]he Senate offered just $300 million and threatened to take that amount away.»

https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/07/the-senate-just-lobbed-a-tactical-nuke-at-nasas-mars-sample-return-program/

I thought #Musk was on track to occupy Mars by '29. How about making him put his money where his loud mouth is?

For a back-of-the-envelope calculation of how many Mars missions could one Musk's wealth support, see here: https://mastodon.social/@65dBnoise/110572840704908935

#MSR #Solarocks #Space #sarcasm

65dBnoise, to space
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Draft for the future of Mars exploration, from the Mars Exploration Program Analysis Group () Meeting.

Presentation by Eric Ianson, Director, Mars Exploration Program: https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/mepagapril2023/presentations/0955_Ianson.pdf

The image shows what the future of Mars exploration looks like today:

65dBnoise,
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The future of the Mars Sample Return () mission, in a presentation at the meeting, by Michael Meyer, Mars Lead Scientist:
https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/mepagapril2023/presentations/1005_Meyer.pdf

The Sample Recovery Helicopters () will have larger rotor diameter (1.4m), higher rotor speed, and will be heavier (2.5kg)

65dBnoise, to space
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The Mars Sample Return mission is undergoing an extensive review of both the project's design and its final cost estimate.

https://www.planetary.org/articles/whats-going-on-with-mars-sample-return

#MSR #SRH #Solarocks #Space

tom30519, to random
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SuperCam has chosen (directed by AEGIS or an Earth-based geologist?) to have a closer look at this group of smaller rocks, nestled among larger equally interesting-looking (to a Non-Geologist™) rocks.

Credits in the alt text

SuperCam close-up image of the group of rocks indicated in the context photo. They are very rough, crumbly looking stones, set among larger, smoother rocks. SuperCam, Sol 812, LMST: 11:24:37 Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/LANL/CNES/IRAP

65dBnoise,
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@tom30519
• take videos of them flying
• stay with them in a loving relationship (well... ok)
• cooperate and coordinate with them to spot anything that moves (debris) or that looks interesting from the air
• get stuff they bring from afar to create a stash (core samples) and/or deliver them to you on a rocket, in case you want to keep them as souvenirs ().

We are a serious business, delivering goods on the ground anywhere in the solar system.

3/

65dBnoise, (edited ) to space
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From a 500m high spot on Jezero's rim, an Ingenuity class SRH with the same Zigbee radio as the one now installed on the will be able to have workable radio links with the SRL or within a ~14km LOS radius, using the same type antennas as the quarter wave monopoles now in use. This means that the scouting range of the two MSR SRHs can be about 1/3 of Jezero's diameter, a vast area compared to what the heli can do now.

See ALT text

redfernmike, to ComputerScience

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I'm a Cis gay man, he/him. Analyst programmer, stuck in corporate as BA.

I like science fiction book/film/series (Trekkie, B5).

Living in Sydney Australia.

Atheist.

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