Looks like #Lemmy and #Kbin keep being mentioned together, which to me suggests we might have averted "mastodonization" of the #threadiverse — i.e. a situation where the whole network gets identified with a single piece of software. 🎉
@rysiek so, is Mastodon a part of the #threadiverse, and if not, what is it's segment, the #postiverse, just #microblogs. What should we call it? Guess Calckey is also in that segement.
Signs of the #RedditMigration in action: Three of the top 6 fastest growing #Fediverse servers are not only not Mastodon.social but they are not even microblogging servers - but rather are #Threadiverse servers.
That is only seriously good for the entire Fedi infrastructure. Diversity is strength.
I would risk a hot-take that Threadiverse today is where Fediverse was in April 2022: some infra exist, some long-established communities are there, and there is now sudden popular interest, stress-testing the network.
But what I find the most interesting and potentially game-changing, is that this is probably not just a move of people only using a given platform.
I am going to wager a bet a lot of long-term volunteer #Redditors are joining the #Threadiverse. :blobcathappy:
This means that there are potentially a lot of new people with the experience and willingness to perform perhaps the most demanding and the most thankless of tasks: community moderation.
@rysiek good thread! For the #threadiverse itself I think it was maybe closer to April 2017 than 2022 - with kbin in the nascent role of Mastodon. One big positive difference is the broader fediverse is much farther along so experienced admins popped up instances like blahaj.lemmy.zone, lemmy.world, fedia.io that could help absorb the influx. Totally agreed though on taking stock and building on it!
A lot of media cannot think in any other terms than VC-funded startups chasing hockey-stick growth, and proclaiming them failed the moment that growth slows down.
#Fediverse in general, and #Threadiverse in particular, are not VC-funded startups. They don't need that hockey-stick growth.
We're here to build resilient, equitable, safe communities, not to maximize shareholder value. Don't get distracted or disheartened because some people don't get that.
Reddits Community/Subreddit-Architektur ist wie gemacht für eine verteilte Alternative. Passt sogar weitaus besser als beim Microblogging/Twitter. Bin gespannt ob hier noch stärkeres Momentum reinkommt. #reddit#threadiverse
Whew. It's not open for registrations and I don't have the qualifications to open it up, but my #kbin instance has been running for over a week, close to 10 days now. The things my little instance has seen in that time has been INTENSE.
My little instance was just one of about 6, or 7 kbin instances when it finally went live, but now #fedidb lists 28 kbin servers with more coming online constantly.
Helping others where I can with information about how I managed to get mine running as well as helping others learn about #kbin has been a wild and intense experience.
I know that with more people coming to kbin that the little part that I played in these last few days will echo for a while across the #fediverse as more people join kbin and other platforms.
@contessa It’s certainly been a few really wild days recently but I think there is no need to wait to try kbin out. The flagship instance actually is in good company now with a couple more instances opening their doors to open registrations and more coming online quickly.
Because kbin presents content the way it does, migrating accounts if you want to change instances doesn’t seem like it’s going to be the same kind of experience. What do I mean? In kbin, following magazines is going to be most likely the bulk of who you care about and not individual accounts. And even with that, given the way content is aggregated and presented, it’s more likely someone will have only a handful of magazines/groups that they subscribe to.
One very interesting question that has always been there but now is more pressing is how to manage the “same magazine/group” that exists on different instances. Since each instance can have their own “humor” magazine/group, humor @ instance1.com is technically a different magazine/group than humor @ newinstance.net. How can a user “group” those two together in their own “personal front page” so they can see and interact with them in an organized way? There are lots of ideas being shared and it will be interesting to see which ones are more popular to try and answer that question.
Kbin is going to be seeing a lot of changes in the next days and weeks, likely really quickly, too. Giving it a try now and experiencing the Fediverse and the #threadiverse as it grows will be a good opportunity to see a very different way of using decentralized platforms and what kinds of ideas generated from this growth can be used to help improve other platforms like Mastodon or Calckey or Pixelfed.
That’s a long-winded way of saying, “Try creating an account now and spend a little time experiencing how the model works. Capacity is growing rapidly and the feeling is that it will continue. Spinning up a new instance is still very challenging but also rapidly getting easier.”
the #fediverse might include the #threadiverse but while following #Lemmy communities (i.e. sub) from my current fedi account will show ALL activity on the community, following a kbin magazine (i.e. sub) from this account shows NO activity on my feed.
I can engage with activity from either protocols from this account however as commenter.
If you're on either threadiverse protocols, you can follow external subs as federated content and engage fully (up/downvotes; comments; sort) plus the usual fedi behaviour in following other fedi accounts.
Conclusion (if like me, you're reluctant to do duplicate/mirror accounts in general): if you want to also follow link-aggregator fedi platforms and their subs, open an account in any of the L/k instances and follow the local or federated subs from that account.
Other things that may need saying:
vanilla Masto doesn't render HTML or Markdown formatting so fedi accounts on that protocol will always see plain text versions. Some Masto forks will honour formatting, while most other fedi protocols have no issues rendering (and these days you will likely be interacting accounts coming from the Calckey/Misskey/Akkoma/Pleroma/WriteFreely protocols anyway, or they'll be using clients that can render formatting)
microblog will scrape fedi content that has the tag it's looking for, but there's a tag primacy delimiter. I can't find it in the documentation but i know it will look for the first tag in the post for sure. This is going to impact auto discoverability by microblog route as many posts come with multiple hashtags. The fedi protocols optimized for microblogging like masto has no such tag primacy rule which is why a frequent advice is to follow hashtags.
some non-masto fedi protocols, like kbin, can write posts with the Title attribute. That means if you write such a post and tag this magazine, it will also be posted/sent directly to the Thread section. Others can also post directly to magazines (and Lemmy communities) but the Post-status of the content will automatically send it to the Microblog section.
#MeaCulpa I just realized that I was joining in the chorus of disapproval about John Mastodon driving new signups to his flagship mastodon.social server, in very strident terms, despite having made excuses for the matrix folks doing exactly the same thing; driving new sign-ups to the matrix.org homesever in Riot/Element. I guess it just reminds me that nobody is immune from bias, however fair and balanced we're trying to be 🫣
@strypey@digitalRightsNinja What feeds a hellthread are bad ideas. So just avoid posting bad ideas that don’t solve the problem. The #threadiverse does not solve the centralization problem. It’s the best initial step we have. A migration from #Reddit to threadiverse would be useful progress. But it’s only the start of a solution not a finished solution.
"...new services always experience 'scalloped' growth. That’s where an outside event — a positive narrative about the new service, or a catastrophe affecting the old one — drives a surge of new users.
Some...try the new service, decide it’s not worth it, and leave — but not all of them. Each event triggers a high tide of new signups, but the low tide that follows is still higher than the old ...Surge after surge, the number of users steadily builds."
Well: current research is showing that even as larger servers grow, smaller ones are growing FASTER cumulatively so at least thus far decentralization is working in the Fedi as far as microbloging. And the growth now in #Kbin and other #Threadiverse servers I'd think has potential to make that even greater.
If there isn’t much cross-platform engagement between the #threadiverse and #mastodon, and Reddit migrants leave because of insufficient activity … is this a failure of sorts of the #fediverse ?
I’m leaning yes. If cross-platform activity is essentially irrelevant but more of a minor awkward perk at times then the fediverse doesn’t exist (yet) at the level of being a social media platform or space.
Instead, it’s a tool for FOSS platforms to scale through decentralisation.
"Reddit is discovering the same thing that Twitter is also discovering: when you build a service where the value is all the free content that users provide, you’re going to run into some problems when you suddenly start acting like you 'own' all that, and you feel the need to put up paywalls for access.... at some point those users are going to realize they have the power to go elsewhere."
@atomicpoet if you count the 23k more from https://www.hexbear.net (an instance that currently has federation turned off, but is planning on turning it on soon) then Lemmy is already passed 130k but if we also add Kbin to that (which people have now been calling #threadiverse) thats another 7k+ Also a there is bot up now at @threadcount thats been fun to watch.
If I understand federation correctly, my reply should/could turn up on the lemmy instances involved in the thread - even though I don't have a lemmy account.
As a (former) Reddit user, I just joined #Kbin to watch and help support the potential #RedditMigration coming from that platform. Here is me there: @tchambers
And I just supported @ernest the creator of the platform, and so should you: suspect next week he will need all the support the Fedi can give.
So new #lemmy users might be pretty sharp and switched on.
I've seen a number of people just starting their own instances to help with the load.
And I've already seen conversations where people have started discussing migrations, account mobility, services to make the boundaries between instances less cumbersome. A real thriving and capable community might be building around there.
Depending on how the #reddit meltdown goes, the #threadiverse (#lemmy, #kbin etc) might be a good place to contribute if you're keen to build new things in the fediverse.
So, is it time now for "spread mastodon/fediverse" to adapt somewhat and spread the "#Threadiverse" (my moniker, fediverse for reddit-like platforms, eg #Lemmy and #kbin)
And to stress the need for help ... here's the core #lemmy dev calling for the load to be spread amongst instances as the core/flagship instance is being overrun: https://lemmy.ml/post/1147770
Would it be an interesting idea for various current mastodon admins to put up parallel lemmy (or alternative #Threadiverse instances)?
I followed a few lemmy communities from mastodon and they have pretty quickly taken up the majority of my timeline. The amount of writing going on in the #threadiverse rn is pretty incredible
Ok so thanks to the #RedditMigration i set up a #kbin account myself - the #fediverse might include the #threadiverse but while following #Lemmy communities (i.e. sub) from my current fedi account will show ALL activity on the community, following a kbin magazine (i.e. sub) from this account shows NO activity on my feed.
I can engage with activity from either protocols from this account however as commenter.
If you're on either threadiverse protocols, you can follow external subs as federated content and engage fully (up/downvotes; comments; sort) plus the usual fedi behaviour in following other fedi accounts.
Conclusion (if like me, you're reluctant to do duplicate/mirror accounts in general): if you want to also follow link-aggregator fedi platforms and their subs, open an account in any of the L/k instances and follow the local or federated subs from that account.
MagASEAN & getting around the threadi/fediverse
Based on my experience so far, new posts using the hashtags tracked will show up on the microblog. Old posts aren't going to get picked up....
Reddit Wave and the Threadiverse
As much as there is plenty of new people joining the threadiverse, the real wave starts today, with thousands of subreddits going dark....
What's the term for Lemmy users?
Lemmies? Lemmings?