So, is it time now for "spread mastodon/fediverse" to adapt somewhat and spread the "#Threadiverse" (my moniker, fediverse for reddit-like platforms, eg #Lemmy and #kbin)
@maegul@fediversenews If we can successfully pick up and retain those new users and roll out group support for mastodon (fep-1b12 on the roadmap). This is going to be huge.
But yes, admins need help right now. We need more instances and more moderators on the current instances. Probably donations too.
@Matthieu @maegul I'm still not convinced that group support on #Mastodon will adhere to existing standards/technologies.
I rather expect it to be deliberately made as incompatible as possible to everything else in the #Fediverse that offers forums/groups, namely #Lemmy, #kbin, #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Streams, integration into existing forum software etc. Keep in mind in this regard that most new Mastodon users take at least three to six months after joining to learn that #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse.
@fediversenews another factor in this is just how much more capable Reddit users might be of mounting a mass migration.
Unlike Twitter, which is essentially individualist with a big corp umbrella, Reddit is more driven by voluntary community activity through sub-Reddit creation and management, and users more accustomed to moving sub-reddits.
And to stress the need for help ... here's the core #lemmy dev calling for the load to be spread amongst instances as the core/flagship instance is being overrun: https://lemmy.ml/post/1147770
Would it be an interesting idea for various current mastodon admins to put up parallel lemmy (or alternative #Threadiverse instances)?
@maegul That's because lemmy.ml is implied to be "the #Lemmy website", just like mastodon.social has been implied to be "the #Mastodon website" at least ever since Musk announced to take over Twitter.
Lemmy will experience the same things as Mastodon. New users taking months to even learn that there's such a thing as instances, that Lemmy is decentralised. And then that these instances are connected to one another. And in autumn, they will discover #kbin, #Friendica, #Hubzilla and everything else that provides something forum-like, too.
@jupiter_rowland but isn't it easier for reddit users to find guides and help from the community compared to twitter ones?
If you join lemmy/kbin imo you have a better chance to educate yourself about fedi than on masto where finding content is almost impossible and accounts made to help newcomers need to keep posting the same stuff every now and then.
Interestingly, I think having communities (or groups) as the basis of the platform surfaces the federated structure more clearly and earlier than basic social-graph platfroms like mastodon.
Many are already talking about and trying to understand how and why communities are duplicated on different instances.
It might turn out that a group/community based structure is a more natural fit for federated social media.
I don't know ... but I have seen the Lemmy devs, before this migration, emphasise their desire for instance diversity and distributing the load. So I wouldn't be surprised if they just aren't going all in on scaling up their hardware as much as mastodon admins did.
@Mark Prior @maegul The first thing that #Lemmy needs now are probably more instances. All-purpose instances for those who only or mostly want to participate as well as specialised instances for those who want to re-create their own subreddits on Lemmy. These instances must be federated at least with the big and popular ones.
Next, Lemmy advertisement must stop advertising lemmy.ml as "the Lemmy website", especially on Reddit!
Sure, it's much much much easier to on-board people who have never consciously used anything free-as-in-freedom and decentralised (because they think e-mail is a Google product) by railroading them hard onto the biggest instance without even telling them what instances are. And if you know this URL, but not Lemmy's proper website, it's more convenient than Googling the latter. But for the #Fediverse, for Lemmy and for lemmy.ml, it's the wrong way. Dangerously wrong.
As a fallback, lemmy.ml itself must point newcomers directly to an easy-to-use, curated list of instances or, better yet, show such a list itself. It has to be curated so that we don't end up with, for example, 100,000 clueless newbies on Lemmygrad, thinking Lemmygrad is Lemmy, full stop, and being all, "WTF LEMMY IS ALL FUKEN TANKIES IM FUKEN BACK 2 REDDIT KTHXBAI!!!!!"
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