Looks like #Lemmy and #Kbin keep being mentioned together, which to me suggests we might have averted "mastodonization" of the #threadiverse — i.e. a situation where the whole network gets identified with a single piece of software. 🎉
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Lemmy, is in fact, a part of the Fediverse, or as I've recently taken to calling it, the Threadiverse. Lemmy is not a protocol unto itself, but rather another free software server of a fully interconnected Fediverse, made useful by the ActivityPub protocol as defined by the World Wide Web Consortium.
Many computer users interact with a version of ActivityPub every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of ActivityPub which is widely used today is often called Mastodon, or Lemmy, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the ActivityPub system, developed by several independent projects such as Mastodon, Lemmy or Kbin.
There really is a Lemmy, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the Fediverse they use. Lemmy is the implementation: the program in the server that allocates the messages to the other servers that run in the Fediverse. The implementation is an essential part of the network, but isolated by itself; it can only interact in the context of a complete federated network. Lemmy is normally used in combination with either instances of itself, or of similar projects of the Threadiverse such as Kbin: the whole network is basically ActivityPub with Lemmy as a node. All the so-called Lemmy servers are really nodes of the Fediverse!
@csolisr@GoatJamesAz@rysiek what I'm wondering is how compatible these are? Lemmy and kbin, but also those with mastodon. Can I somehow subscribe to lemmy topics on mastodon?
I made a video showing how to post, like and reply to a #lemmy The same principles work for #kbin. I should learn how to post this video to the fediverse.
@rysiek I think both options are great but at some point I think we should consider standardizing terminology. I very much prefer lemmy’s communities over kbin’s magazines. #threadiverse
@rysiek so, is Mastodon a part of the #threadiverse, and if not, what is it's segment, the #postiverse, just #microblogs. What should we call it? Guess Calckey is also in that segement.
@mastodonmigration@rysiek its a discussions thats happened before, and never got a satisfying answer. Think part of the reason so many people use Mastodon as a standin for fediverse is that there is simply not a good name to refer to the microblogging side of fedi.
Seems we just need a better term than microblog, and always did, which is why we have “tweet” and “toot”. SMS would be accurate but acronyms don’t really work.
If we put away short character limits, then the essential structure is the follow, broadcast and feed. Basically a big digital dinner party not quite in real time. Don’t think there’s a good word for it, which is a complement really.
Shindigiverse? Colloquiverse? Friendiverse? Feediverse? All clearly awful.
Tootiverse is the best I’ve got, and to be fair, mastodon would deserve to be remembered into posterity. Except that tootiverse sounds probably more dumb than fediverse.
Ok … I’m calling, “fedi” is dumb and “verse” is too.
Space is a good descriptor, but also used too much in other contexts so it gets confusing I think. I personally like "zone", as its something that some servers are already using as TLD as well (elk, blahaj)
Yea, you're right ... "zone" is kinda the fediverse's word for "space" ... nice! Sounds a bit weird to me as a word for a more nebulous thing like the fediverse or threadiverse. "Zone" feels more specific, as in the case with blahaj for example.
It somewhat speaks to the corporate dominance of the internet/social media that we're really struggling with a word for the thing that isn't Twitter/tweet or some imitation of those.
Blog is weird but idiomatic now almost certainly because it wasn't a centralised platform, right?
I say we gotta keep the wordplay going so that we can have our own public language! Eventually things will evolve and stick.
"blog" reminds us that contractions can be useful for this sort of thing too.
I'm kinda feeling "fold" a little. Tolkein uses for land areas too ("westfold") though I don't know where he's getting it, probably some old-english origin in there. It's kind of about "folding" your follows into a feed
Social-fold? Foldstream? Fold-zone ... time to go to bed I think!!
I think the dark reality haunting us in our sleep is that it has always been "microblogoverse" and we should count ourselves lucky that we can even have "tootiverse".
@maegul@laurenshof@mastodonmigration@rysiek It's kind of a cross between chat, blog, and forum. If only Twitter would hurry up and die for real we could just pick off its terminology.
@rysiek yes, and at least for Lemmy multiple rapidly-growing sites are springing up which also may avert the mastodon.social-centricity of the Mastodonoverse. Kbin's still more kbin.social-centric but some of the new instances coming online may well change that. Encouraging!
@rysiek i ‘d be happy if the diaspora could find in their new home something with more form and function to the platform they left behind. Considering it all one mixed bag, one yet more identical marvelous separate but equal sameness whether Mastadon, Lemmy or Kbin , etc, is not going to satisfy.
@hook@rysiek the biggest difference I would give between the two is kbin federates nicely with microblog content. kbin posts will show up properly on something like mastodon instead of just being a headline and link like lemmy stuff. also you can view, follow and create microblog content on kbin
if you want to try it out, I'm hosting an instance with open registration at https://fedi196.gay
@ivy, cool, thanks for explaining. That helps to understand.
Also very kind to offer your instance, but as Reddit was not really my jam, I'm first going to lurk around a bit now and again to see how the format and community develops.
@ivy@hook@rysiek i haven’t been able to see any Lemmy or Kbin posts through mastodon. Not even copying the link directly. I’m possibly doing something wrong :p
if you're able to see this than you've just seen your first kbin post :3
if you want to see posts from a kbin account on your feed, you will need to follow them, otherwise you can check out their home instance to see posts. for example you could go to https://fedi196.gay/u/ivy to see my full account whereas viewing @ivy will only show what your server has logged for my user (which it will only do for posts put out while someone on your server is following my account, or i put out posts that mention someoneone your server)
@GoatJamesAz no problem :blobfox_laugh:
as you get settled in, you'll start to get used to activitypub and all its quirks
i would strongly recommend checking out @feditips
they were a huge help to me when I was just getting started and I still learn things from them from time to time
@ivy@hook@rysiek I was able to follow a couple of groups on Lemmy and see posts, or at least reply to posts, for a little while. Then it stopped. I'm able to follow groups on kbin.social too, but nothing shows up.
@moira@hook@rysiek kbin.social has been having issues with federation for a little while now because they had to use cloudfare's ddos protection. I think things are federating better now, but even on my kbin instance I haven't gotten much from them. with how fast development is moving now, I would expect to see this fixed/improved soon
@ivy@hook@rysiek ah. That’s great to know. I had tried engaging with Lemmy via Mastadon, and eventually backed out because the lemmy boosts overwhelmed my feed. I’ll have to find a nice kbin instance to try it with.
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