retr0id, to random
@retr0id@retr0.id avatar
kkarhan,

@joeo10 @anedroid @retr0id @signalapp @element

Exactly!

I recommend - for most users [ and are excellent clients for that!] but if you are an organization then consider and if you already have a and use / MIME then @delta / may be a good option [tho I'd recommend using a seperate eMail account for that!]...

kkarhan,

@saagar @signalapp @retr0id Even then I'd say this is flaky at best, since one can't really evidence that to be the case if tuere's neither FLOSS clients nor Server implementatioms to test against...

Unlike #XMPP+#OMEMO or #PGP/MIME - encrypted #eMail...

Polynomial_C, to random Catalan
@Polynomial_C@mastodon.social avatar

Micro$hit Teams vs

kkarhan,
esm, to random
@esm@wetdry.world avatar

I THINK THE MATRIX CHAT PROTOCOL SUCKS

kkarhan,

@esm I think works well since it's a.-based client but unlike it includes out of the box.

chbmeyer, to linuxphones German
@chbmeyer@digitalcourage.social avatar

Gestern habe ich mir #Mobian @mobian mit #Phosh auf mein #Pinephone pro installiert.
Was soll ich sagen? ... Ich bin begeistert!

Gut, die Akkulaufzeit ist sehr klar verbesserungswürdig.
Aber "nur für Entwickler geeignet" ist es definitiv nicht mehr. Für mein Empfinden: es ist eine stabile Beta-qualität.
Kamera, GPS, Rotation, Telefon, SMS, WiFi, Mobile Daten, Karten, ...
Sehr viel besser, als das vorinstallierte Manjaro mit KDE. ...

Als nächstes synchronisierte ich mir Kalender und Kontakte mit meiner Nextcloud. 👍

Was mir aktuell noch ernsthaft fehlt ist ein QR-Code-Scanner (wie z.B. Cobang) und die Batterieoptimierung / eine bessere Batterie.

Das Jahr für ein stabiles #LinuxOnMobile ist nicht mehr weit!

chbmeyer,
@chbmeyer@digitalcourage.social avatar

Besonders gelungen ist bei @mobian mit #Phosh auch die "App" #Chats, die neben #SMS ganz selbstverständlich anbietet, einen #XMPP oder #Matrix-Account hinzuzufügen.

Ich habe leider nur noch nicht gefunden, wie ich dort #OMEMO für XMPP aktiviere. ... Naja, wird schon noch werden.

ada, to random

please use matrix we have:

  • a client made by an enterprise who will willingly backdoor your messages
  • a client made by 3 people that get random breaking changes that completely obliterate flow
  • a client that is one giant html5 canvas that uses 100% of your browser gpu power
  • a client that requires systemd
  • way too many abandoned android and ios clients

please use fedi we have:

  • an instance software which is so popular but so feature deprived it makes no sense why it exists, also it's trademarked in a bad way
  • an instance software that has so much code rot it spawned 500 forks to try and fix it only to become rotten themselves
  • an instance software that doesn't really know what it's doing and instead implemented 3 different api standards, and this is the fork i'm talking about. no one should talk about the upstream project.

this really is the FOSS curse, huh?

kkarhan,

@ada depends...

Why I should use #Matrix when #Zulip, #IRC and #XMPP+#OMEMO and #DeltaChat (#eMail + #PGP/MIME) exist is beyond me.

Whereas :activitypub: and it's implementations do make sense considering how :birdsite: :twitter: went :deadbird: ...

publicvoit, (edited ) to random
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

Another argument for using proven encrypted messengers and proper verify used keys:

Encrypted traffic interception on Hetzner and Linode targeting the largest Russian () messaging service
https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/

nanoelquant,

@publicvoit there is a problem that a change of #OMEMO certificates requires manual verification, in principle...

Mer__edith, to random
@Mer__edith@mastodon.world avatar

Where I speak some advantages Signal has over the bigger richer rest of tech:

“We don’t have to be full of shit. We’re not a surveillance company. I’m not trying to pretend Facebook is good. I don’t have to toe a party line that is divorced from reality”

https://restofworld.org/2023/signal-president-meredith-whittaker-messaing-privacy/

kkarhan,

@jabberati @anarchopunk_girl @fla @Mer__edith @signalapp I mean, #XMPP (with #OMEMO or #PGP/MIME] as standard exists for decades and it can be used privacy-friendly via @torproject...

Problem is just that #TechIlliterates are lazy and never get forced to learn anything.

kkarhan,

@Pabamiti All those Apps listed are all & as well as & solutions and thus inherently trash!

It's like as if you take all "" but go out of your way to deny the 's :fediverse: & 's :activitypub: existance entirely...
https://floss.social/@doctormo/111249256551959224

Whereas there are a feckton of good / Clients that even do & /MIME out of the box, like and ...

kkarhan,

@anarchopunk_girl @fla @Mer__edith @signalapp

also doesn't provide value to me beyond what + & + /MIME can offer for decades now.

Instead it creates shitty dependencies to - that have no legitimate reason to exist and their unwillingness to allow makes it worse than a default installation in terms of , , & .
https://zulip.com/why-zulip/

jplebreton, to random
@jplebreton@mastodon.social avatar

Was reminded recently that Discord has taken nearly $1 billion in VC cash: https://tracxn.com/d/companies/discord/__5rlLgsamoGCjo5gATenpy383J_jyBToAQkMl2B_f99w
No judgment if you've already built a community there, but everyone really needs to treat it as a ticking time bomb. It's already failed its users many times over; it's just a question of when those failures will escalate beyond even the most indifferent user's tolerance. Every community deserves better. Good alternatives are a survival imperative.

kkarhan,

@jplebreton also their #ToS are inacceptable and I urge everyone to give alternatives a try, ranging from #GitHub and espechally #GitLab to #Zulip, #Mumble, #JitsiMeet and #Nextcloud depending on the workflows and needs.

NOONE IS FORVED ONTO #DISCORD!

Imho it's just a combination of all the bad things from #Slack, #MicrosoftTeams, #Skype and #Mattermost woth no redeeming qualities.

You might just use #Matrix, #DeltaChat, #XMPP+#OMEMO or even #IRC instead!!!

pressgirlk, to Signal

Hell yeah #SignalApp @signalapp :party_parrot: :party_parrot:
Signal users will now be able to edit messages (very similar to how the edit feature works on @Mastodon ) 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

kkarhan,

@pressgirlk @signalapp @Mastodon so basically a feature #XMPP + #OMEMO always had...

Nah, I'm not gonna use any #centralized #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider #messenger anytime soon...

rosano, to random
@rosano@mastodon.online avatar

is @delta chat the only e2e encrypted messaging app out there that doesn't have this fragility of 'lose your phone, lose your data?'

https://mastodon.online/@rosano/110685716693430299

kkarhan,

@rosano @delta @monocles

Granted not everything can or must fit everyone.

I personally use #XMPP+#OMEMO for 1:1 chats and have deployed and maintained several #Zulip / https://zulip.com instances as a #corporate & #organizational chat, as it's more user-friendly than #IRC yet also allows for the necessary granularity and auditability.

enno, to random German
@enno@nafo.army avatar

Ich suche eine App, welche meine Ergüsse Parallel auf Twitter, Mastodon, Post, Bluesky und Threads postet und die Antworten sortiert. Und dann bitte einen Messanger für WA, Signal, Telegram, iMessage, Threema, ...

kkarhan,

@floe @enno @torproject @signalapp ach ja, #Indien versucht dieselbe #cyberfaschistisch|e Nummer...
https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111189592833921904

Genauso wie #Zensursula in der @EU_Commission ...

Also warum sollte irgendwer #Signal nutzen?

Firmenkommunikation muss archiviert werden, also geht faktisch nur etwas das dies kann - sei es #DeltaChat (welches #eMail nutzt) oder #Zulip (als self-hosted oder #managedHpsting - Variante)...

Der Rest wird langfristig #XMPP+#OMEMO bzw. XMPP+#PGP/MIME lernen müssen...

kobayashi90, to FreeSpeech

So they admitted that their Goal is not Free Speech at all, not gonna lie thats what this reply says in my Eyes. Sad to say that you lost my Trust.
#FreeSpeech #NotSoFreeSpeech #Goverment #Freedom #Internet #Secure #Mail #Security #Encrypted #FlokiNet #Iceland #ProtonMail

image/png

kkarhan,

@kobayashi90 @signalapp @tfunken #OMEMO does support multiple devices and allows distinguishing and managing them...

OFC #MonoclesChat also supports #PGP/MIME besides #OMEMO...

kkarhan,

@kobayashi90 So instead of @signalapp just use #XMPP + #OMEMO and #eMail with #PGP/MIME encryption and you're good to go.

rail, to Matrix

I think the true sign of an apocalypse being near will be the creation of actually decent and feature-rich #Matrix client

kkarhan,

@rail Why anyone would have demand for that in lieu of #XMPP + #OMEMO, #Zulip and #IRC is beyond me but it's always good to have more options I guess...

starshine, to random
@starshine@woem.space avatar

oh don’t worry, discord won’t shut down. it will just gradually enshittify more and more as it keeps trying to make more money as the vc funds dry up, eventually being bought by a large corporation looking to sell the user data for a nice profit.

then once it gets bad enough, another centralized, proprietary platform will pop up that promises to be slightly better than discord (at least, better than discord after its gradual decline), people will move to it in droves, and the cycle will start all over again

discord will continue to stick around for a couple more years after that, until the company that bought it decides it’s not worth running anymore and unceremoniously shuts it down, destroying over a decade worth of people’s memories in the process

:woem:

kkarhan,

@starshine Just like #AIM amd #ICQ and #Skype...

Maybe it's time people start considering actual alternatives lile #Zulip ( https://zulip.com ) and #IRC as well as #XMPP+#OMEMO...

MagicLike, to Signal
@MagicLike@mstdn.social avatar

Hey there - would you be so kind and check out my feature request for Signal Desktop "Allow multiple accounts to be linked to one Desktop installation (/linked device)", especially if you feel the same? :blobfoxpleading:
Ofc you don't have to, but the thread stalled a bit lately... :blobcathearthug:

:boost_requested:

https://community.signalusers.org/t/allow-multiple-accounts-to-be-linked-to-one-desktop-installation-linked-device/55604?u=magiclike

kkarhan,

@MagicLike Have you heard of + ?

Because that does everythin that @signalapp promises without literally doxxing yourself with a phone number or having to trust their / bs....

mburr, to fediverse

Does the #fediverse have a federated answer to any of the following?

  • Signatures for my outgoing messages? (outside of the post's text itself)
  • Real-time group chat (discord)
  • Video "hangouts" (zoom, skype ...hangouts [google])
  • Privacy (signal, telegram)
  • #crypto or #blockchain anything that's in use

It looks like "youtube" is covered already, but any #scuttlebutt about that is appreciated. The knowledge about what's best or hot at any time is also federated 😕

#activitypub #social

marqle,

@mburr

I would not trust Telegram for #privacy #btw

I'd choose #threema or #matrixchat or maybe #xmpp with #omemo

the latter could be incorporated and it was talked of at one point. It would also fulfil the #discord function and with #e2ee room #encryption to boot

jabberati, to Meme
@jabberati@social.anoxinon.de avatar

A friend just sent me this.

debacle,
@debacle@framapiaf.org avatar

@jabberati

That's why I prefer #OX 🐂 (#OpenPGP for #XMPP) over #OMEMO. PFS? No thanks!

#Jabber

ilyess, to Signal
@ilyess@mastodon.online avatar

#Signal introduces a new quantum-resistant key agreement protocol called PQXDH.

"With this upgrade, we are adding a layer of protection against the threat of a quantum computer being built in the future that is powerful enough to break current encryption standards"

https://signal.org/blog/pqxdh/

#privacy #quantum #crypto

Natanox,
@Natanox@chaos.social avatar

@ilyess Wonder whether there will be some kind of implementation of this in #XMPP's #OMEMO.

netzpolitik_feed, to random German
@netzpolitik_feed@chaos.social avatar

Der Digital Markets Act der EU soll sicherstellen, dass große IT-Firmen ihre Marktmacht gegenüber anderen nicht unfair ausnutzen. Nun hat die EU-Kommission 6 Firmen zu "Gatekeepern" erklärt. Ein IT-Riese glänzt durch Abwesenheit. https://netzpolitik.org/2023/digitale-gatekeeper-einer-fehlt-im-club-der-grossen/

kkarhan,

@Pabamiti @Natanox @nomain @netzpolitik_feed Und selbst #Threema ist wegen der Zentralisierung unsicher, weil da reicht es einfach den Traffic zu deren Systemen aufzuzeichnen ..

Nur kompett dezentralisierte Systeme die komplett #SelfHosting-fähig sind (#eMail mit PGP/MIME & #XMPP-#OMEMO) können sicher sein, wenn diese korrekt aufgesetzt und konfiguriert sind - bei allen Beteiligten.

kkarhan,

@Natanox @netzpolitik_feed

Da #Signal eine proprietäre #SingleVendor / #SingleProvider - Lsung ist würde ich denen weniger vertrauen als ich auf dem Rücken liegen senkrecht pissen kann ohne nass zu werden.

#XMPP + #OMEMO und #PGP/MIME sind interoperabel, sicher und schnell...

Weil ich hab' auch #TechIlliterates binnen 5 Minuten gezeigt wie diese das auf MonoclesChat u.ä. einrichten können!

kkarhan,

@Natanox @Pabamiti @nomain @netzpolitik_feed @signalapp da nicht #SelfHosting möglich ist UND dank #AGPLv3 kein #ManagedHosting wirtschaftlich möglich ist halte ich das für ne reine Blendtaktik.
Da keine #reproduzierbar|en Builds kann keiner garantieren dass das veröffentlichte auch tatsächlich läuft - schon garnicht in deren #Backend-#Infrastruktur!

Wenn #Signal wirklich was daran läge sicher zu sein wären diese so dezentral wie @torproject / #Tor und #XMPP-#OMEMO bzw. #PGP/MIME als Standards!

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