dmitri

@dmitri@social.coop

Engineer and decentralized standards rabble-rouser. Open Data and Library Socialism activist, sailor, gamer, reader. 0.5th gen immigrant (born in Ukraine, living in US currently). Feminist. Love people, dogs, other animals, books, the sea, & anticapitalist software. Summat' queer and neuro-slightly-off. Would prolly like you if we met.
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evan, to fediverse
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

Wow; I just re-read the old socialcg minutes for why we don't have an extension process, and apparently I just got tired of working on it without a vote and downvoted it out of consensus.

https://chat.indieweb.org/social/2018-09-12

It was a perfectly reasonable proposal.

https://github.com/w3c/activitystreams/wiki/Extension-process/fa6b7c289da5beac15273ffc7a015ca15c97b489

I should have stuck to it! #ActivityPub would be much better now with that process in place!

dmitri,

@evan Wholly agree with you, that was a great Extension process proposal!

J12t, to fediverse
@J12t@social.coop avatar

A few weeks ago I asked about Fediverse apps that are as unlike as Mastodon as possible. People pointed me to some quite interesting ones, like playing chess over ActivityPub or public transport delay announcements https://social.coop/@J12t/110843539252937792

Today I hear that is working on decentralized merge requests over ! If this comes into being, this could be a really major development for the . https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/11247

dmitri,

@J12t @evan Ooh, sounds interesting! You should propose it as a topic to the mailing list! :)

thenewoil, to random
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    dmitri,

    @thenewoil Fabulous article. Though I'm surprised Tarsnap was not listed - it's pretty much the standard goto in the security community.

    rysiek, (edited ) to fediverse
    @rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

    Well if it isn't cryptocurrency spam coming from the biggest, open instance on the . 👀

    I wonder if this is at all related to challenges with moderating an instance of checks notes 200k active accounts? Or with moderating new accounts on the only instance actively promoted in the official apps? :thinking_rotate:

    Thankfully we can always defederate! What's that? It's the biggest instance so there are real concerns about a lot of people losing connections? Whodda thunk it!

    dmitri,

    @rysiek @boud Michał, I completely agree with you that such a (brand-neutral) landing page for the Fediverse (or better yet, Open Social Web :) ) would be extremely useful. I'd be very interested in helping with this. What do you think is a good venue to continue this discussion? Shall we open a thread on SocialHub?

    dmitri, to random

    Newbie question: So, I just noticed the Follow Requests tab (Phanpy.social web client, Mastodon based instance) with a bunch of follow requests there. But I don't have my account set to require follow requests. Does anyone know why the requests would still be there?

    dmitri,

    @jwildeboer Ahhh thank you, makes sense!

    dmitri, to random

    Excellent design. The Fediverse needs more of this - general headless servers rather than platforms like Mastodon.

    From: @Natureshadow
    https://floss.social/@Natureshadow/110355574434610009

    atomicpoet, to random

    Imagine a social network but it’s all AI pretending to be people so they can fool people, but the people they’re “fooling” is just more AI.

    RE: https://bitbang.social/users/breadbin/statuses/110352411208169085

    dmitri,

    @atomicpoet Hey, that's how you get SkyNet!

    jonny, to random
    @jonny@neuromatch.social avatar

    today I became lightly anti-preprint and even more pro-self publishing but in my defense they started it

    dmitri,

    @jonny lol fwiw you're totally justified in this situation :)

    panos, to fediverse

    OK, let me try something.

    Hello @Gargron! It’s the first time I’m addressing you, so let me first of all say a big THANK YOU for your contribution to the #Fediverse! The reason I’m writing this is that I saw that @mastodon recently announced quote posts - I think that’s a great decision! As you probably know, #Misskey and #Calckey already have an implementation for quotes, where the quote appears under the original post (like a comment, but flagged as a quote), and where the original poster is notified when quoted.

    I don’t know how you intend to implement this feature in Mastodon, but since our users interact with each other, I thought it would be a good idea to suggest some direct communication with @syuilo (who originally implemented this in #Misskey) and @kainoa (our lead dev at #calkey), to make sure our implementations will be compatible. Even if there are concerns and things that you’d prefer to be done differently, I think that they should be discussed, and #Misskey and #Calckey should consider adjusting their implementations, so that they interoperate seamlessly with yours. The idea is, let’s see if it’s possible to find a common way to do this, so that users have a smoother, safer and more consistent experience, on such a sensitive issue!

    I think that the widest possible interoperability in the #Fediverse is to everyone’s benefit, and it gives a better experience for every #fedizen, no matter what platform they’re on. Let’s try to work closer together on common features or problems and find common solutions - we’ve got this. ​:blobbonedealwithit:​

    Posting this publicly because I think that more cooperation between fedi platforms is something many people in here would love to see – myself included! Hoping this is received positively and in good faith. United fedi is best fedi =) ​:fediverse:​

    dmitri,

    @panos @kainoa @syuilo @Gargron Hi Panos, would it makes sense for the Calckey devs to do a writeup on how they're implemented Quote Posts, on somewhere like the FEP repo (https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep ), so that we can point implementers at it?

    dmitri, to random

    So, @bengo has often suggested "hey, such-and-such software (wikis, forums, etc) should become ActivityPub-enabled". And I often have trouble picturing exactly the UX that this would entail, on the end-user side. Gath.io's Federation Philosophy https://github.com/lowercasename/gathio/blob/main/FEDERATION.md#federation-philosophy write-up is a brilliant example of this, that answers many of my questions (discusses data model, centering the Event as the main actor rather than a person, etc). Great read!

    dmitri, to random

    Does anyone know of a Fediverse client that keeps track of which posts you read? (And either marks them as such, or hides read posts by default?)

    dmitri,

    @schm43cky Hey, that's good to know, though (that at least Fedilab marks your place in the feed). Thanks!

    rysiek, to fediverse
    @rysiek@mstdn.social avatar

    Hey #Fediverse, apart from Mastodon, what instance software is considered Good Stuff?

    dmitri,

    @rysiek Calckey :) (https://calckey.org/ )

    dmitri, to random

    Nobody:

    Me: Let me tell you all about my thoughts on the recent rivalry (read: fairly one-sided grumbling on the Fedi side) between Bluesky and the Fediverse.

    What I think of the "conflict": Wholly misguided. But I'm glad it's happening, because it's galvanized a bunch of people and projects on the Fediverse side.

    (Thread continues, summarized over at https://medium.com/@codenamedmitri/fediverse-vs-bluesky-62afcc2745eb )

    1/

    dmitri,

    Just whose team am I on? Uh... I'm on team Plurality, Queer Post-Scarcity Space Anarchism, and Libre and Liberatory Software. I'm against fascism, and for trying to survive the current Multicrisis/Jackpot with the least loss of human lives and least species extinctions. (Except for deer ticks, those can seriously go to hell.) So in that regard, I think (until proof to the contrary) that the Bluesky team is on our side.

    7/

    dmitri,

    But so, where am I going to be spending my time and effort? On the Fediverse side, of course.

    8/

    dmitri,

    Btw, I'm not thrilled with the term "Fediverse". It's better than "Mastodon", of course, for obvious reasons. And better than "ActivityPub" (since that's just ONE protocol of the whole stack). But the thing is.. there's nothing sacred about federation. It's just one (albeit important) tool in the distributed system toolbox. To name our whole scene after it, is like naming us "Array-ists", or "Linked List-ists". It's just a low level detail.
    Let's just call us what we are: Open Social Web.

    9/

    dmitri,

    Anyways, what do I think of the current Fediverse: Well, it's my people. I love it and use it, and am hoping to help it in whatever ways possible (paying instance admins, reviving the W3C Social Web Incubation Community Group for standards work, building bridges). Do I think it needs some improvements? Oh, hells yes -- and I'm'a tell you all about those, shortly.

    So, we have a lot of work to do. And remember, we're aiming for the Pluriverse. And lots of bridges.

    10/10

    dmitri,

    @silverpill All good points.
    > Paying instance admins means supporting bigger instances

    ::shrugs:: One, instance size doesn't really mean anything. And two - hey, if social.coop wants to provide hosting and moderation for me, why wouldn't I want to pay for their labor?

    dmitri,

    @silverpill
    > Standards work is done here: https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep, but you're creating a competing group

    SWICG is not a competing group :) It's the continuation of the original WG that created ActivityPub, etc. Also, I'm a HUGE fan of the FEP community (and of your work there, too), and I hope to work with them closely.
    There's room for both communities without conflict.

    dmitri,

    @silverpill Make sense, ok. (That someone was me, @rhiaro and @bengo, incidentally.)
    Ok, so what can a W3C CG offer to the FEP community? Off the top of my head:

    1. Regular voice calls for any sort of topics that require higher bandwidth communication.
    2. Visibility to, and liaising with, the larger W3C community. Basically this means: easier to start a Working Group when time comes, and we represent the SocialWeb/FEP community to other CGs/WGs.
    dmitri,

    @silverpill 3) (and here, we get into the whole topic of - so why do anything in a standards group like W3C rather than outside of it) IP protection. Basically, W3C exists to protect standards from patent trolls. Which hasn't been an issue so far for FEP, but becomes more important as the Fediverse gains more mainstream visibility and adoption.

    dmitri,

    @silverpill Like, I'm not saying the FEP community NEEDS the W3C CG. But surely, more hands and eyes and voices on some of the Fediverse spec problems, might help?

    dmitri,

    @silverpill Are you saying the FEP community would not want to work with the community group? Like, we can still orient around the FEP repo, and also provide additional infrastructure / calls, etc..

    dmitri,

    @silverpill Would you be interested in attending the first SWICG call?

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