paninid, to philosophy
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The options of a philosopher-king: or

Human beings exist for the sake of one another: so either teach them or endure them

http://inaniludibrio.com/2024/04/12/the-options-of-a-stoic-philosopher-king-coach-or-suffer/

kravietz, to random Polish
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Taka obserwacja kulturowo-socjologiczna: na Fediverse od dawna jest trochę Rosjan “z Rosji” (w sensie, że nie emigrantów), głównie uciekinierów z mainstreamowych rosyjskich sieci społecznościowych typu VK po wprowadzeniu cenzury kilka lat temu. Poza grupą autentycznie szurniętych nacjonalistów (którzy też byli wtedy w Rosji ścigani, stąd ucieczka z VK) z większością z nich do wojny i przez pierwszy rok można było normalnie dyskutować. Mam tu na myśli dyskusję na poziomie jaki mogą prowadzić ludzie mający czasem odmienne poglądy ale potrafiący wysłuchać argumentów drugiej strony i z nimi polemizować lub je przyjąć. Ale w ciągu ostatniego roku dokonała się ciekawa zmiana kulturowa. Jeżeli mogę dokonać kilku uogólnień na podstawie niedawnej (i chyba ostatniej) dyskusji z nimi:

  • W złym tonie jest podawanie… źródeł informacji. W dobrym tonie jest pisanie “swoimi słowami”. To znaczy, jeżeli ktoś napisze “ja wiem, że rakiety S-300 nie mogą trafiać w cele naziemne” to ma to z ich punktu widzenia większą wartość poznawczą niż ”nawet ze źródeł rosyjskich wynika, że mogą - tutaj jest link do TopWar.ru” (popularny portal wojskowy w Rosji). Nie mam pojęcia z czego to wynika, podejrzewam jakiś podprogowy komunikat o tym, że wszystkie linki mogą prowadzić do exploitów i wirusów.
  • Całkowite pogrążenie w oficjalnej rosyjskiej narracji - oni nie wiedzą, że Charków był regularnie ostrzeliwany od lutego 2022 i autentycznie myślą, że rosyjskie ostrzały Charkowa zaczęły się dopiero w odwecie za ukraińskie ostrzały Biełgorodu czyli około grudnia 2023.
  • Całkowita brak zdolności do konfrontacji z informacją nie pasującą do tej oficjalnej narracji. W naszej kulturze, jeżeli ktoś poda informację sprzeczną z naszą wiedzą to zaczyna się kopanie w źródłach - albo ja mam błędne źródło, albo on/ona i na podstawie uznawanych przez obie strony można to ustalić. Rosyjskie “pokolenie wojenne” po prostu kończy dyskusję, nie było tematu.
  • Ciekawe zjawisko “podwójnej moralności” - wobec “swoich” przyznajemy nieco więcej (np. ludobójcze cele Kremla w zakresie “złamania Ukrainy”) niż wobec “obcych” (negowanie tych wypowiedzi i upieranie się, że to tylko “”emocje”). Ale to akurat Rosjanie mieli zawsze, to nie jest nowe zjawisko.
  • Odrzucanie dowolnych relacji świadków czy wręcz materiałów wideo z miejsc wydarzeń na tej podstawie, że “nie było cię tam na miejscu, nie wiesz jak było”. W konsekwencji tuzin bezpośrednich relacji wideo z danego miejsca jest odrzucany jako “niewiarygodny” ale obwieszczenia oficjalnych przedstawicieli władzy jest traktowane przynajmniej jako wyraz oficjalnej wersji.
  • Bezkrytyczne podejście do częstych w rosyjskiej oficjalnej narracji zmian stanowiska o 180°. Fakt, że dzisiaj władza mówi coś całkowicie odwrotnego niż wczoraj nie wywołuje absolutnie żadnych refleksji na temat tego, że władza może w danym przypadku kłamać oraz, że jutro powie coś inne niż dzisiaj. Jest prawda życia, i jest “prawda etapu”.

W większości są to zjawiska dość oczywiste dla każdego kto ma kontakt z Rosjanami “z Rosji”, nowością dla mnie była obsesyjna fiksacja na “swoimi słowami” oraz odrzucanie źródeł. Nie wiem w jaką stronę to idzie ale wygląda na to, że oni sami siebie zagnali w jakąś sekciarską informacyjną czarną dziurę. Długofalowe konsekwencje, przede wszystkim dla rosyjskiego społeczeństwa, będą dramatyczne.

doboprobodyne, (edited )
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@kravietz

May I add some hashtags in order to solicit views of psychologists and others who deal with human (or animal) cognitive modelling of reality? I would be fascinated to read about the degree to which we're all vulnerable to bias, the highest-yield methods of protecting oneself from bias (especially in social media), and of helping reflect back to others their own views in a way that lets them critique them. I think the last point is especially hard, especially if the other person has no desire for critical thinking (and as humans, we are terrible at critical thinking!).

If there are any textbooks on the subject, ideally written by scientists &/or aimed at scientists, I'd be keen as mustard to know about them!

If anyone has opinions on the work of Han, Lee, Wang, & Baldwin (librai fact checking automation - https://github.com/Libr-AI/OpenFactVerification ) I'd be all ears too.

Please feel free to boost this if you think answers might interest you.

#counselling #psychology #groupthink #philosophy #advertising #ads #PR #CambridgeAnalytica #Stoics #Stoic #statistics #maths #math #mathematics #disinformation #propaganda #bias #socialMedia #fakeNews #media #reporting #influence #influenceOps #softPower #NATO #DIANA #thought #reality #Plato #manipulation #delusion #politics #law #economics #journalism #military #war

pyager, to philosophy

“Make sure you’re not made ‘Emperor,’ avoid that imperial stain. It can happen to you, so keep yourself simple, good, pure, saintly, plain, a friend of justice, god-fearing, gracious, affectionate, and strong for your proper work. Fight to remain the person that philosophy wished to make you. Revere the gods, and look after each other. Life is short—the fruit of this life is a good character and acts for the common good.” —MARCUS AURELIUS, MEDITATIONS, 6.30

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

tootbrute, to random
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i'm burning through all my podcasts. searching for more interesting things to listen to... if you have any favorites? plug em here :bananadance:

my top favorite podcasts at the time which give you a taste of my interests.

Linux Unplugged
American Prestige
If Books Could Kill
Keep Canada Weird.

doboprobodyne, (edited )
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@tootbrute

This isn't at all the answer to what you asked, but I hope you can forgive my asking that, if you use the F-droid store on Android, may I recommend an app called Cool Reader, and a cheap Google Play Store app text to speech engine by Cereproc?

The voice might be a bit "Steven Hawking", but having one's phone read books to oneself opens a vein of the richest thoughts of humankind throughout time.

Whether you want to "read" a medical handbook of ADHD, or Adam Smith's Theories of Moral Sentiments and The Wealth Of Nations, or The Rise And Fall Of The Great Powers, or Flatland, or Seneca's Letters To Lucilius, or Wind Sand And Stars: if you can find them in epub, you can smash them into your brain as easily as Keanu Reeves in a dystopian future.

(Hint1: you can find them in epub. The best books are long out of copyright, and can be found on "pirate libraries" like z-lib, Anna's Archive, or libgen. Hint2: if reading from a mobile 'phone screen consider fettling the settings. Amber text on a black background, with font and margins tailored to your taste is invariably far finer than the default settings. Hint 3: I previously tried Cool Reader from the play store and it had been compiled by a third party with advertising nonsense and God knows what else. Get the F-droid store and install it from there for your own security. It's open-source and doesn't try to send your data anywhere. Hint4: for complex subjects while driving etc you might consoder altering the reading speed.)

#books #reading #libraries #wisdom #leadership #stoic #stoicphilosophy #literacy #education #opensource #fdroid

maxleibman, (edited ) to random
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I am always amused by the assertion, when people start to debate the mysteries of conscious experience, that "consciousness is an illusion."

My paraphrase of "cogito, ergo sum”: If consciousness is an illusion, who is being fooled?

doboprobodyne,
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@maxleibman

No worries.

Illusion is a metaphor.

Just like how we think we pass through time, rather than being in all the moments separately; before, now, in the future - time as we perceive it exists because the moments are perceived in sequence.

But like the use of the word "illusion", language is a clumsy tool, and it's hard to lay some things out in words.

Well, also its possible the folks actually thought they meant illusion, in which case you're right and they're silly. Send em to me for reducation.

doboprobodyne,
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@maxleibman

You are absolutely spot-on, of course.

I read a marvellous account of this somewhere and I didn't write it down. Very possibly in a medical handbook of ADHD! I will push a message if I am lucky enough to encounter it again.

It pertained to sequencing (in the conscious mind) of perceived events including thoughts.

Great stuff!

#stoic #stoics

(Ironically, they believed the mind is the only place we have any semblance of control!)

pyager, to philosophy

“This is the true athlete—the person in rigorous training against false impressions. Remain firm, you who suffer, don’t be kidnapped by your impressions! The struggle is great, the task divine—to gain mastery, freedom, happiness, and tranquility.” —EPICTETUS, DISCOURSES, 2.18.27–28

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

pyager, to philosophy

“Keep constant guard over your perceptions, for it is no small thing you are protecting, but your respect, trustworthiness and steadiness, peace of mind, freedom from pain and fear, in a word your freedom. For what would you sell these things?” —EPICTETUS, DISCOURSES, 4.3.6b–8

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

pyager, to philosophy

“Keep this thought handy when you feel a fit of rage coming on—it isn’t manly to be enraged. Rather, gentleness and civility are more human, and therefore manlier. A real man doesn’t give way to anger and discontent, and such a person has strength, courage, and endurance—unlike the angry and complaining. The nearer a man comes to a calm mind, the closer he is to strength.” —MARCUS AURELIUS, MEDITATIONS, 11.18.5b

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

pyager, to philosophy

“If you wish to improve, be content to appear clueless or stupid in extraneous matters—don’t wish to seem knowledgeable. And if some regard you as important, distrust yourself.” —EPICTETUS, ENCHIRIDION, 13a

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

18+ dajb, to random
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Yep one of those mornings where I'm up before the rest of the family reading Marcus Aurelius, Baltasar Gracián, and others.

kzimmermann,
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@dajb the amazing #stoic!

Aslanmane, to Stoicism
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mythologyandhistory, to Stoicism
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Did you know that an #ancient #philosopher managed to annoy everyone?

Alexinus was a Megarian philosopher. He specialised in #logic riddles & in being disagreeable.

He disliked Zeno (the #Stoic), Aristoteles, the Sophists, ... & enough others that he got the by-name "the refuter".

He wanted to start a #school & call it "Olympian", so he moved to #Olympia.

But he didn't provide proper housekeeping & the students soon left.

He died by being pierced with a reed while swimming.

#philosophy

pyager, to philosophy

“Anything that can be prevented, taken away, or coerced is not a person’s own—but those things that can’t be blocked are their own.” —EPICTETUS, DISCOURSES, 3.24.3

pyager, to Stoicism

“Let us prepare our minds as if we’d come to the very end of life. Let us postpone nothing. Let us balance life’s books each day. . . . The one who puts the finishing touches on their life each day is never short of time.” —SENECA, MORAL LETTERS, 101.7b–8a

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

pyager, to Stoicism

“If someone is slipping up, kindly correct them and point out what they missed. But if you can’t, blame yourself—or no one.” —MARCUS AURELIUS, MEDITATIONS, 10.4
#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

perperikon, to paganism

What I wanted to say is simple - try to find your inner peace. I know the struggle, is very hard and you need to focus. I needed to literally read day after day the same quotes from the same book - Marcus Aurelius’ Meditations, before I finally found my inner strength to survive very complex job interviews and finally convince CEO that I am actually worth that money. But right now I know that I can manage next year without this fucking toxic environment as I have right now, hopefully I will be able to sleep, relax, don’t think too much about their issues and their chaos. I cut also bad people off from my life. It took time. But it’s worth it. I strongly recommend to actually sit down, rethink all your plans for next months and ask yourself some questions - how can I do it? How many steps it takes to get there? Etc. Pray to gods. Don’t be such a useless victim. Ask gods and entities for help. They will help. They will provide you all the tools needed. Just don’t miss their signs.

And read Meditations. And Master Therion’s Book of Law. Every day before sleep.

pyager, to Stoicism

“When philosophy is wielded with arrogance and stubbornly, it is the cause for the ruin of many. Let philosophy scrape off your own faults, rather than be a way to rail against the faults of others.” —SENECA, MORAL LETTERS, 103.4b–5a

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

lovelylovely, to random
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This.👇

doboprobodyne,
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@lovelylovely

With the greatest respect, I submit that the problem is that it is considered something to be taught as a history of black people or white people. For many reasons, I believe the concept of #slavery is best taught as part of the history of people.

#linguistics #NLP #racism #stoic #economics #socialSciences #psychology

pyager, to philosophy

“There is no evil in things changing, just as there is no good in persisting in a new state.” —MARCUS AURELIUS, MEDITATIONS, 4.42

#stoic #philosophy #stoicism

perperikon, to Stoicism

When I feel overwhelmed, just go back to this book: Marcus Aurelius ‘Meditations’.

Heliograph, to random
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good sunday morning #daylightsaving confused tooterinos :blobcateyes: just remember #time doesn't matter (*#clocks don't either)

Heliograph,
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(*related here's my personal stance on #time #stoic)

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