Edent, to internet
@Edent@mastodon.social avatar

🆕 blog! “Why did Usenet fail?”

This is annecdata - not a serious academic study. Adjust your expectations accordingly. When I first got online, the World Wide Web was still in its infancy - so CompuServe was my gateway to the Internet. I loved their well organised chat room. A couple of clicks and I could be discussing Babylon 5 with […]

👀 Read more: https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/06/why-did-usenet-fail/

#reddit #usenet

Edent, to random
@Edent@mastodon.social avatar

Reddit is just Usenet with upvotes.

Is there an Open Source Android client for NNTP?

andersgo,
@andersgo@oslo.town avatar
janboehm, to random German
@janboehm@edi.social avatar

ohne Stichwortsuche und einen Algorithmus, der die jeweiligen Nutzer:innen ein wenig kennt und ihnen hilft, wird das hier weiterhin nix

yeti, (edited )
@yeti@emacs.ch avatar

@SebasTEAan @janboehm

Ich empfinde das (Ver-)Folgen von Personen als total falsches Konzept. Kaum hatte ich die ersten Personen in meiner , wurde mir klar, daß ich wirklich nicht jede Äußerung von diesen sehen will.

Wir sollten stattdessen folgen können. Die ist aber zu niedrig und mir wurde erklärt, daß obendrein das ​basierte Propagieren zwischen den Instanzen funktionieren kann, aber nicht muß. Ich hab's mangels Ahnung von Mastodon-Server-Internas nicht richtig verstanden.

Soziale Netze scheinen überwiegend zum Followers-, Likes- und Boosts-Zählen zu existieren? Für mich funktioniert das SO nicht.

Die hiesige (emacs.ch) lokale Timeline ist zum Glück recht ergiebig zu einem gewissen Thema, was mich auf die Idee bringt, daß generell eine Instanz pro Thema her müsste, sozusagen die Wiederentdeckung von ​s mit anderen Mitteln!

Zum Glück hat das einen langen Atem und zwar -inkompatible, aber gut fokussierte Foren sind durch soziale Netze auch nicht verschwunden.

js, to random

Is there a federated Reddit alternative yet that is getting traction? With Reddit following Twitter, now might be the time for a migration :).

publicvoit,
@publicvoit@graz.social avatar

@js I'm a big fan of a revival for the with . Ticks all the boxes for me, proven, tons of great clients, ...

Wrote and talked about that on https://karl-voit.at/2020/10/23/avoid-web-forums/

roughconsensusandrunningcode, to random
@roughconsensusandrunningcode@mastodon.cisti.org avatar

#OnThisDay in the #InternetRegulationMadness History: 25 years ago the Italian far right MEP Cristiana Muscardini filed a written question about the administration of the it.* #Usenet hierarchy, urging the EU Commission to take over Usenet administration from consensus-based steering groups by creating a special de jure authority: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:C:1998:386:FULL&from=EN page 164

@rfc1036 @mau @abragad

roughconsensusandrunningcode, to random Italian
@roughconsensusandrunningcode@mastodon.cisti.org avatar

#oggi #29maggio 25 anni fa l'on. Muscardini, indovinate di quale partito, faceva ridere mezza Internet presentando un'interrogazione parlamentare per lamentarsi della gestione di #Usenet in Italia e chiedere l'intervento della Commissione UE per liberare i newsgroup italiani da dittature e monopoli [cit.] sostituendo la gestione consensus-based con un'apposita authority de jure https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/IT/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:C:1998:386:FULL&from=EN pag. 164

@rfc1036 @mau @abragad (se ci sono altri membri del GCN nel fediverse taggateli)

multiverseofbadness, to fediverse
@multiverseofbadness@toot.wales avatar

Been a busy week #coding on my #fediverse client. I finally have my #python #framework (#Jenkwerx) doing exactly what it's supposed to so I've been preparing to follow my first user - me on #Mastodon!

..but I pushed pause because, while my inbox is rocking, I don't have my #ActivityPub outbox set up to process from a queue yet (it's still sending love). 😞 So back to unsexy "proper #code logic" for a bit..

..still confident I'll be following a few folks by Sunday tho - ugly test attached! 😆

multiverseofbadness,
@multiverseofbadness@toot.wales avatar

@devnull @jdp23 @trwnh @smallcircles @evan

Followed! Thank you!

I come from the old #Usenet days, so this fediverse stuff is a breath of.. well.. not fresh but refreshing air!

I could talk more than you'd care to hear about my old days writing a #BBS, and how the Usenet was a game changer.. and then.. it kinda all lost the thread..

But it's getting traction again.. and I am 100% here for it and to help support it!

limebar, to music
@limebar@mastodon.social avatar

Was anyone here a devotee to rec.music.industrial in the 90s?

Remember the tapes and CDs the group produced? I was on a few.

I even recall getting a $1 royalty check because one of them was packaged into an... Alternative Press (?) magazine monthly issue on newstands. I never got a copy of that mag and wish I had.

Was it alternative press? Anyone recall?

https://www.discogs.com/release/552592-Various-Usenet-Mind-Body

https://www.discogs.com/release/378625-Various-Mind-Body-Compilation-Volume-2

https://www.discogs.com/release/378674-Various-The-Best-Of-Mind-Body-Electro-Industrial-Music-From-The-Internet

#music #usenet #industrialMusic

Jyoti, to random
@Jyoti@mas.to avatar

Is it me or are people less arsey on Mast?

Like, the whole Twitter hierarchy thing, I don't get so much on here?

If I follow a famous and they never interact ever with anyone else, I unfollow them.

I'm here for dialogue, not monologue.

(Of course, some people seek the validation of parasocial adulation. Fair does but nope.)

(Also, dialogue doesn't mean insulting me / being a knobhead. I block at the slightest breeze of twattery.)

Jyoti,
@Jyoti@mas.to avatar

@crinolinerobot

#Usenet was my happy place in the early '90s. And Mast def has that vibe, particularly because of the high ratio of geeks, goths and gays on here.

Geeks, Goths And Gays sounds like a killer pitch for Netflix... 🤔

oblomov, (edited ) to fediverse
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

This #Mastodon / #email bridge <https://tacobelllabs.net/@nkizz/110340426573847934> by @nkizz is just brilliant, but you know what would absolutely ROCK? A #Fediverse server that had native support for #IMAP.
While we're on the topic, I wonder if anybody has thought about building a client with an UX inspired by Usenet newsreaders (personally, MicroPlanet Gravity was one of the few things I missed from Windows when I switched to Linux, would love to see something like that for Mastodon.)

oblomov, (edited )
@oblomov@sociale.network avatar

The more I read the #ActivityPub spec the more I see it as an extension of #email and #Usenet protocols. By this I mean I have the feeling that it would be possible to roundtrip e.g. email through AP “losslessly”. Which opens interesting possibilities when considering the development of platform-agnostic AP servers like #Vocata
https://codeberg.org/Vocata/vocata
Now I'm dreaming of a client that handles emails, news and AP …

RL_Dane, to fediverse
@RL_Dane@fosstodon.org avatar

The influx of #Vivaldi users on #Mastodon reminds me of the #AOL invasion of the #Usenet in the mid-90s.

Except that they're generally totally awesome, unlike the AOL/Usenet culture clash.

Welcome, guys!! :D

lispi314, to fediverse
@lispi314@mastodon.top avatar

Imagine requiring several hundreds of megabytes to display less information than the average #NNTP client did for #Usenet in 1995.

That's #Mastodon and other #Fediverse #WebUI in a nutshell.

anttipeltola, to fediverse
@anttipeltola@mastodon.world avatar

#Mastodon introducing #QT #QTs on future release tells me this ship may not be heading into the iceberg that #Usenet and #IRC hit in their arrogance of not listening to their users. #Twitter #Bluesky

rml, to internet
@rml@functional.cafe avatar

Common sense/medium rare take: treating people like traitors for signing up for Blue Sky will drive folks away from the forms of online community you're advancing. I won't be signing up to #BlueSky because its obviously going to be a milquetoast website — at best Twitter 2, the persistence of an idea beyond its very real & clear death — a literal zombie community that preys on the minds of the living for our lack of ability to imagine, organize and build a true alternative that can appeal to the masses while upholding the principals of #SoftwareFreedom. But lashing out at people for their lack of loyalty to a platform only signals that yours in decay.

#Mastodon is not the end all/be all, as I'm sure most of my mutuals agree. That its had a hard time appealing to folks beyond hacker scenes is both a sign of its weakness and its strength. Its strength is that we have probably the most exciting space of discourse among hackers since #usenet, along with a reasonably generic protocol to build on, #activitypub. But I'm sure we all want it to grow, including a wide range of voices from all walks of life & cultures. So we all have to be thinking about how to work together and try new things in order to grow, and I'm not convinced affirming loyalty to a platform is conducive to that sort of growth.

#fediverse

funbreaker, to random

Usenet is so cool. I just wish it wasn't such a spam-filled mess.

#usenet #nntp

Jyoti, to fediverse
@Jyoti@mas.to avatar

#Mastodon is the most useful and fun place I've found since people used #Usenet.

If I post criticisms of it, it's because I want it to be even better, not because I'm against it.

I also only want to invest my time and energy somewhere that cannot be bought.

I was on Twitter from 2007 and I'm still fucked-off with what happened to a once-useful place.

kikobar, to fediverse
@kikobar@acc4e.com avatar

The most fascinating feature of descentralised networks is that we can create them... but we can never shut them down...

Yes, we can turn off our own instances but it would be virtually impossible to convince all the others to shut theirs down too.

If you hadn't noticed... the Usenet is still there and so are some BBSs... alive and kicking... 😎

andypiper, to fediverse
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lispi314, to javascript
@lispi314@mastodon.top avatar

@dalias @blakereid Yep.

All those who can should be hosting nodes for networks. The network is stronger and safer the larger it is.

This goes for and for .

Sites also should actively support use of those networks, without which can be used for deanonymization and thus has no place on them.

Sadly that's still not as good as proper like or nodes for resilience, but it's a start.

MikeHar94962844, to Facebook
@MikeHar94962844@mastodon.me.uk avatar

Time for a proper .

I am, like many others here, a refugee from other social media sites. In my case, it all started way back in 1990 when I did the DT200 information technology course. This gave me access to their CoSy based conferencing system. From there I explored various before joining . From there I migrated to and via .

My posts are likely to cover a variety of areas such as: , , and .

cfiesler, to Hololive
@cfiesler@hci.social avatar

This weekend I was part of a great discussion about platform migration in . What's happening now with (and all types of online communities!) has both some similarities and differences. But if you're interested in one example of these kinds of migrations (e.g. to to and in communities) here's my video essay about this research! https://youtu.be/xzQO-vkX3q0

taviso, to random

@asjo @crt0_S @polpo @ftrain I wish they would restart it, I only caught the last few months or so!

asjo,

@taviso @crt0_S @polpo @ftrain I have "restarted" olduse.net (nntp) now: https://olduse.net/#forty - you can read with a 40, 41, or 42 year delay :-)

#usenet #nntp #archive

reiver, to fediverse
@reiver@mastodon.social avatar

It seems like the people responding to this poll (so far) skew towards those who experienced the Internet in the 1990s and earlier.

Which might suggest there are a lot of people on the that not only remember the , but might want to support, bring back, and re-create & restore the best parts of the "old Internet".

https://social.librem.one/@mcneely/109338225935485076

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