nileane,
@nileane@nileane.fr avatar

“Bluesky could be the future of content moderation”.

I 100% disagree.

Yes, the protocol offers a plethora of ways to filter content and ensure you never come across, say, Nazis.

But that’s not what content moderation is. Content moderation is making decisions. It is either welcoming or refusing certain types of content on your platform.

If you’re letting everyone in, and telling your users "but you have control!", you’re not moderating anything. You’re just quitting.

https://mastodon.social/@caseynewton/111887524210529466

nileane,
@nileane@nileane.fr avatar

Also, let’s just say that this approach to "content moderation" sounds like Bluesky tried really hard to find a compromise between having the Nazis on the platform, and keeping them off the platform.

They want it both ways.
And that’s a vivid red flag if I've ever seen one.

santiago,
@santiago@masto.lema.org avatar

@nileane Specifically that’s a red, black and white flag.

fleg,
@fleg@chaos.social avatar

@nileane an „AppStore for content moderation services“ means people who are regularly targets of abuse need to install an asshole filter from an AppStore? That‘s victim blaming as a technology.

jpaskaruk,
@jpaskaruk@growers.social avatar

@nileane

For anyone who is interested in reading what I consider to be an open-minded assessment of today's public version of Bluesky, I read this from Techdirt this morning, and I did find some interesting ideas in it that we should steal (back, in some cases) for the Fedi.

https://www.techdirt.com/2024/02/06/bluesky-opens-up/

Like their "mod service" concept looks like as an abstracted delivery model, which is an expansion of a good idea, I think.

That being said, I myself will not be checking them out.

lewiscowles1986,
@lewiscowles1986@phpc.social avatar

@nileane
Wouldn't you be conspiring to actively support Nazi content at the point you can hide it, but don't delete it or report it to state agencies?

chort,

@nileane "Gardening is the future of food safety! Nobody dictates what is safe to eat or not, you control what goes in your body. Yay!"

zicklepop,
@zicklepop@nyan.lol avatar

@nileane luckily casey’s never been right before

gabrielesvelto,
@gabrielesvelto@fosstodon.org avatar

@nileane "you can scrub as much harmful speech from your feed as you want, but only after having been thoroughly traumatized by it"

cragsand,
@cragsand@mastodon.social avatar

@nileane
I'm also worried about this. From how it looks now it's gonna be hell when nazis join & more so when they start to federate.

  • Will servers have centralized allowlists or denylists?
  • Can servers have their own rules like the Mastodon covenant?
  • Can servers block other servers?
  • Will doing that remove you from the list?
  • Can you move your account DID to one that blocks bad servers?

Would that work like being on a moderated Mastodon server? So many questions... :AAAAAA: #ATProtocol

JustinH,
@JustinH@twit.social avatar

@cragsand @nileane The answer to all your questions is "No". There is no major functional difference between instances.

Read this for more info: https://rys.io/en/167.html

cragsand,
@cragsand@mastodon.social avatar

@JustinH @nileane If they don't change this model, it's gonna turn into an absolute disaster. I remember reading about this but had hoped they'd actually solved this by now. Seeing as this was almost a year ago.

Server operators must be able to moderate the content they host and link. Not only morally but they have a legal responsibility.

If #BlueSky is as "open" as they claim, it needs server blocking or a fork. Hiding users is not going to work if bad actors can post all kinds of horrors.

ekana,

@cragsand @nileane how Bluesky fedrates is different. Your data is hosted on what's called a PDS (Personal Data Server) and a service called the BGS (Big Graph Service now called a Relay) indexes all posts from the many PDS's and creates a firehose. Moderation can be done on the PDS, likely the BGS (Relay), and through the labeling service. Anyone can make a BGS (Relay) and anyone can make a labeling service.

ekana,

@cragsand @nileane So users who might not like how Bsky moderates can pick a new BGS (Relay) as well as pick a community run labeling service and rely on them to properly label hate groups and the like.

cragsand,
@cragsand@mastodon.social avatar

@ekana @nileane
Here's a good post regarding how #BlueSky and the #ATProtocol intends to handle moderation once it starts to federate.

I also reply with some concerns I think NEED to be addressed before it starts.

The current system seems to enable harassment since you can hop relays to evade moderation and pile on victims who are unaware that they're even being targeted.
That is, until the amount of people piling on spills over your filter..

https://bsky.app/profile/cragsand.bsky.social/post/3kkyg5rnuy42t
https://blog.rudyfraser.com/the-moderation-article/

ekana,

@cragsand @nileane Hey Rudy's one of my mutuals 😁. His write up is very good. On your concern I see what you mean. But as Rudy said, Relays are going to be massively expensive. So there likely will only be one of them. And on harassment you can't see. I understand the feeling, but with so many layers they will get caught. And I honestly don't see a difference then those guys being on there own forum making their nefarious plans about a person.

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