darnell,
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I just realized that @EU_Commission Digital Markets Act (#DMA) could “forcefully persuade” #Meta, #Google, #ByteDance & #Microsoft to embrace #ActivityPub for #Facebook, #Instagram, #YouTube, #TikTok & #LinkedIn over the next six months!

👉🏾 https://darnell.tv/2023/09/07/billions-fediverse-europe-dma/

We could witness billions of users joining the #Fediverse soon, which means instance admins on #Mastodon, #Misskey, #Lemmy & #Pixelfed will need to brace themselves & raise funds to handle the pending traffic.

rysiek,
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@darnell so yeah, DMA's aim is to force the huge platforms to interoperate.

However, it's up to the smaller providers who want to interoperate to request interoperability with the huge ones.

In other words, the initiative is with the smaller providers (i.e. every AP instance out there), the smaller providers have the choice to interoperate or not. That choice is very limited on the huge platforms' side.

So, it's not like Fb will suddenly be forced to federate with everyone.

@EU_Commission

rysiek,
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@darnell I would need to slowly re-read the DMA to figure out if there are specific things blocking the huge providers from suddenly deciding to just implement ActivityPub and start federating with everyone, though.

My gut feel is, however, that the interplay of DMA and GDPR might in fact make that unlikely.

And that's even ignoring the fact that the very business model of huge platforms is built on the assumption of them being walled gardens, i.e. not federating with anyone.

@EU_Commission

rysiek, (edited )
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@darnell I would love to hear what @ilumium and @whvholst would have to say about that, though!

Edit: see @ilumium's response below.

@EU_Commission

ilumium,
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@rysiek @darnell @whvholst

No, unfortunately the does not force gatekeeper social networks to interoperate even if smaller ones want it.

Despite groups like @edri fighting for this, there was much political & resistance, and now Article 7 DMA on mandatory only applies to messaging services, not social networks.

So, @element and @threemaapp could ask Whatsapp and to interoperate, but the won't be affected.

rysiek,
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@ilumium ah of course! Obviously DMA only forces interoperability of messaging services.

Serves me right for responding half-asleep at stupid in the morning. 🤦‍♀️

@darnell @whvholst @edri @element @threemaapp

darnell,
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@rysiek @ilumium @whvholst @edri @element @threemaapp But here is the issue. Currently messenger can reply to private messages & vice versa (I believe can as well). Will Instagram be forced to communicate with rival chat services‽

Also, every social network has a messaging system, so it makes me wonder if the big six will also be forced to communicate with each other.

rysiek,
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@darnell as much as I made a rookie mistake of forgetting that DMA forces interop only of IMs, the rest of what I wrote I believe still holds — so the initiative is on the service that wants to go into interop with a huge platform.

So if Messenger is considered to be affected by DMA interop, and Instagram is not, if Instagram requests private message interop with Messenger, Meta will have to provide for it.

This is triggered by a request.

@ilumium @whvholst @edri @element @threemaapp

rysiek,
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@darnell in other words, it's not:

> now you huge providers need to immediately start interoperating with each other and everyone else

…but:

> now you huge providers need to allow for interoperability if and when you get a request from another provider for it

That's an important difference, and a completely different dynamic.

@ilumium @whvholst @edri @element @threemaapp

rysiek,
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@darnell 404 Not Found?

@EU_Commission

darnell,
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@rysiek @EU_Commission 😂🤣😂 Check now! I accidentally forgot to hit publish!

rysiek,
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@darnell there we go. :blobcatfingerguns:

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