Stupid #Linux question time: I have been sticking with X11 on my laptop running Kubuntu/KDE/Plasma. Should I switch to Wayland, or is it still not ready for daily use? Mostly running Firefox, Chrome, LibreOffice, jEdit.
It helps to know that a lot of the #Wayland devs are former #X11 devs. They got sick of working on a hack of a hack of a hack of a hack, and decided to just take the greatest common factor and gut everything else.
I've a question for #Wayland#TilingWM users of the fediverse. Out of the two and be honest which would you use and why ?
I'm trying to find out if folk are just all about the eye candy or if there's more behind their reasoning. Oh and yeah I'm a nosey cow too. 😂 #SwayWM or #Hyprland
There are some features of #X11 that keep me from migrating to #Wayland. For example, X11 has a nifty feature where if you resize a stack of tiled windows while video conferencing the speakers sound like robocop. If you continuously resize your windows, it becomes like scratching a turn table. Without this feature, endless meetings where a point is belabored for 2 hours because management can't seem to accept a simple technical reality without dispelling their naive illusions one by one would be unbearable. So until this makes it upstream, I'm sticking to the fully featured X window system.
If you ever fancy a bit of casual trolling, can I recommend any thread about Linux on The Register? Here you will find the kinds of users who believe that their use of X11 to do some obscure things involving remote applications means that someone else should be maintaining X11 to a much higher standard, and that if you would prefer, say, a working fractional scaling system you are somehow “not a professional user”.
And I have decided. I will use #xorg when I am on the desktop mode (for better latency, but worse battery life) and #Wayland for normal casual laptop use. I wish I could use wayland full time, but the latency is just too great. #Nvidia sure is a pain to work with
I want to love Wayland, I really do, but its keeps giving me reasons not to
I can live with the lack of power management because well, Nvidia sucks but OBS constantly crashing and Gnome keychain not working for PGP keys means its back to X11
The Kodi issue on X11 is resolved so there is no reason to use Wayland until it actually works properly
Why are cursors in #Linux so unimaginably broken? Why is it even possible for the normal pointer cursor to look different and be different sizes between apps? And why is that an everyday occurrence? Why didn't #Wayland seem to improve the situation at all? Why is everything broken?
It seems X11 is really coming to a crossroads and turning into maintenance-mode software.
At this point, it runs fine even on my 12th-Gen intel machine, but if I ever get newer hardware (not anytime soon, obvs.), I might need to make the switch. :/
@RL_Dane #Wayland has been totally fine for me. Running it on #Debian (Gnome) or #Ubuntu (Also, Gnome)
So far I personally have not had any issues... but again, YMMV
We need a replacement. We can all kvetch about #Wayland missing tons of features (and I definitely have), but we need to start moving in a direction and hopefully remediate some of the missing features as we go.
Still, I can't help but feel that this is a very 80/20 solution, and not complete. And from the perspective of something of a traditionalist, it may never be.
Calling #Wayland "X12" would have had one important benefit:
It would have made it pretty obvious that Wayland is primarily a protocol[1] – and thus if something "works with wayland" often depend on the display server (read: compositor, aka gnome-shell/mutter, kde plasma/kwin, …) built with it.
[1] and a library implementing it; but definitely not a replacement for a particular dominating X11 implementation called Xorg (not to be confused with X.org).
KDE Plasma 6 to Ship with Floating Panel and Wayland enabled by default
I’d actually missed that there was a floating panel, and it works quite nicely if you allow apps to appear below it.
Wayland will be interesting as I heard it was all ready for KDE apps, but last thing I also heard was it had some issues around Nvidia supp ...continues
Hector Martin can eat shit. I literally cannot do my job, THE JOB THAT I AM PAID TO DO, if I use #Wayland.
#Krita isn't some inconsequential app. I have YEARS of Krita-specific files, brushes, and workflow, and it was ONLY LAST WEEK that I could finally use a hw accelerated canvas, and it's still buggy as shit.
»The most popular IDE on Stack Overflow currently is VS Code and it does not even start on Wayland without global variable shenanigans. What 1% were you talking about?
Modern hardware won't help when software itself is broken. Yeah i am talking about #Wayland. It's much more broken than X.org ever was. …