Yesterday I did a quick test drive of a #Hubzilla instance. It was a somewhat mindtwisting experience for me as a Mastodon user, in a similar way to how Mastodon/Twitter was mind-twisting for me coming from a Livejournal/Dreamwidth/Facebook background.
But it has some really nice features and might be exactly the thing that some folks are looking for.
@dynamic just really wishing there was a proper Docker image for #Hubzilla as when I moved from cPanel hosting to Docker based, I could never find one. I'd love to run my own Hubzilla insance again with all its additional app functionality, nomadic ID, mirroring, etc.
Oh, Zot! Nomadic Identity is Coming to ActivityPub: This could change the Fediverse forever
Years before there was Mastodon and even ActivityPub, there was Mike Macgirvin who created the Zot protocol, which Hubzilla runs on. One of Hubzilla’s most amazing features (apart from also integrating with Activity and the Fediverse, and having cha ...continues
@danie10 can you give a little hint on how to use/activate this Nomadic Identity function so we could try it and understand what it is and how it works. I looked at my #hubzilla profile settings and didn't find any mention of it.
@danie10 thank you, I think I got it, though I should admit everything is really difficult to find with #hubzilla interface - even just to get to this Import function where Nomadic Identity is hidden you should unintuitively go to "Channels" - "Create new channel" page instead of just simply find it in Settings menu like with Mastodon.
@fisunov and #Hubzilla is now quite an old network. Mike has long moved onto other projects. But he is here on the Fediverse at @mikedev so I'll be watching his posts closely.
Mike Macgirvin, the long-time developer that brought us #Friendica, #Hubzilla, #Streams, and the #Zot protocol, is bringing his most powerful concept to the rest of the #Fediverse: Nomadic Identity.
I want to create a new functionality and I need some ideas. I want to add an option to contacts, so that their posts don't appear in the network timeline anymore. But in difference to "ignored", "collapsed" or "blocked" this has got no further consequences. It is meant especially for contacts that you want to aggregate in a dedicated channel. So for example you could decide to subscribe to a lot of news channels, but you don't want to see them in the network timeline, since they post that often. Instead you create a channel for them and browse them from time to time. Same could be an option for groups or for feeds.
This filter would work for threads that are started by this special account. I would try to expand this to posts that are reshared by these accounts or by threads that are fetched, because this account commented in the thread. (The last two parts could be more challenging)
My questions are:
Do you think that this is a good idea?
Could it be done better than an option on the contact page?
How could this be named, so that users don't misunderstand the functionality?
So for example you could decide to subscribe to a lot of news channels, but you don't want to see them in the network timeline, since they post that often. Instead you create a channel for them and browse them from time to time. Same could be an option for groups or for feeds.
I remember - when I had #hubzilla account - I used their "affinity" feature to filter this. Affinity was number from 0-100 (iirc) and you used slider to chose what will appear in timeline. I can imagine creating separate channels for close contacts with affinity <50 and "filler" contacts with affinity <50 afterwards. Hubzilla had slider to chose how close contacts you would like to see on your timeline.
If you haven't heard, sadly, #ChirpSocial, one of the popular #ActivityPub “groups” platform, is shutting down “probably” on February 29th.
In an email they sent to admins, the owner and developer can no longer support https://chirp.social financially as they failed to find a new job after they were laid off by #Google last year.
This reminds us the importance of having a built-in groups feature, and one where the groups feature actually federates.
Back in 2008, when the #Fediverse was born, we did have a built-in federated groups in #Laconica / #StatusNet (today known as #GNUsocial). We used bang (!) instead of at (@). A built-in groups feature is more stable as established instances can host them.
Today, we have #Friendica and #Hubzilla (as well as #Streams-based instances) to fill in that, as groups is a built-in feature in those software products. It's just a matter of finding an instance that's open to hosting groups for any topic for the ActivityPub protocol.
That said, any Friendica, Hubzilla, Streams-based instances you suggest for groups?
#Hubzilla fans, what is the best mobile client to use with Hubzilla? I am finding that #Fedilab, my favorite mastodon/#friendica client, doesnt work with Hubzilla.
Thanks for any tips as I explore a new corner of the #Fediverse.
I think a lot of my frustration with some of the “consent based” social networking pushers is the lack of consistency. Those same people don’t want to utilise software that will grant them the experiences they desire, instead they want to argue and fight in an attempt to force others. Why not use #Hubzilla#GoToSocial#CounterSocial and others that have more control? Or join spaces that have allow list federation? #Fedi#Fediverse#Mastodon
first the text sounded to me like we have it with #Hubzilla and #Streams since day one... with the mayor difference that the Zot / Nomad / AP network is not designed by a company which likely wants make some profit after some time.
Bluesky is not a free Network because the rules it runs by are not open for free development.
The AT protocol is open but not the software which runs Server and Clients.
Bluesky is build around BGS (Big Graph Service) only few players will be able to run.. and all data inside this Bluesky system is more or less public. So the one who can run a BGS will be able to see it more or less all.
So #Bluesky is not at all like "the Internet" as they try to put it in the text and not for sure like #Hubzilla and #Streams - Bluesky is not about privacy
@chris Definitely agree about the privacy thing, this is something quite some people seem to be completely unaware, but are you sure about software (clients, server) not being open? I thought that was one of the things they started out with rather early, same as opening the protocol itself. (Being pretty much in dislike with the structures that built Bluesky, I still am pissed having to admit they at least tried to fix what ActivityPub apparently never cared to do right - accounts not permanently and forever tied to a particular instance. Wish #Hubzilla had more presence at this point being able to promote and establish Nomadic Identity as a core Fediverse standard. 🙁)
Maybe I should start an irregular series of "What Hubzilla is like" posts for people in the Fediverse, Mastodon specifically, who don't know anything about it. Not for those who want to switch, but for those who assume that Hubzilla is just like whatever else they know. Like, for Mastodon users who blindly assume that Hubzilla is just like Mastodon with a different UI and then act accordingly. Thus, it'd mostly focus on how Hubzilla is different from Mastodon.
The difficult part would be to limit these posts to only 500 characters. Minus what I'll need for the hashtags, namely #Hubzilla, #FediTips and #FediverseTips to increase discoverability for those who are interested and #FediMeta, #FediverseMeta, #CWFediMeta and #CWFediverseMeta so that these posts are automatically removed or hidden behind generated content warnings by already existing filters. Because I know for a fact that many Mastodon users won't touch anything that goes even a smidge over 500 characters. And I know that there are Mastodon users for whom any and all Fediverse meta is too nerve-gratingly techy.
> Everyone else who talks about the non-Mastodon Fediverse isn't on Mastodon.
Not really. 🤪 I'm on a Mastodon-powered instance.
I used to run a #Philippines#Friendica server. (It was the second #fediverse instance for the Philippines. The first was running Friendika managed by students.)
Then I ran my own #Hubzilla (family & friends). And used to manage the community for an #ASEAN Hubzilla instance (sadly, the sponsor and admin disappeared).
Today, I'm staying away from the backend management. I no longer have the resources to dedicate to it. So, I just search for instances with sane set up (like not abusing site-level blocks because someone told them to).
"True Fediverse citizens" (for lack of a better label) do exist on Mastodon-powered platforms. There are plenty of others beside me. 😃
Hello again #Fediverse, I may need your #fedihelp. So, here's a list of the Fediverse software I'm about to make temporary accounts for to test all the features and differences:
So, did I miss anything noteworthy? Does anyone have any tips or recommendations before I choose a server for any one of these? I'll probably be going for the most popular server on each for improved federation and maintenance.
Note: I'm using #Sharkey right now and Misskey forks are already overrepresented, so that's why it's not included.
@oskoo and #Hubzilla - operates along similar lines to #Friendica, but it has nomadic ID which is pretty unique which is a bit slicker than #Mastodon migration. Many sit with a dilemma, choosing between Hubzilla and Friendica (I still use both as I could never decide).
🆕 blog! “Rebuilding FourSquare for ActivityPub using OpenStreetMap”
I used to like the original FourSquare. The "mayor" stuff was a bit silly, and my friends never left that many reviews, but I loved being able to signal to my friends "I am at this cool museum" or "We're at this pub if you want to meet" or "Spendi…
It doesn't matter if you are new to the #fediverse or if you have been here forever, it's always good to keep in mind that (a) what server you pick, and (b) what software that server runs, matter.
I should admit am fairly new at this. I created my first fediverse account only a year ago. It was a #mastodon server with about 8,000 users. And while it "worked" there was something missing from the experience.
While researching the idea of hosting my own server, I discovered #FireFish which in turn led to discovering #IceShrimp. It's hard to describe how much better the experience is with IceShrimp.
The #UI is just so much better, and the feature set way more robust. The way it handles replies, the ability to quote, to use multiple emojis, etc.
If you have friends or family thinking about joining the Fediverse or are feeling unimpressed with your mastodon experience, I highly recommend getting an account running IceShrimp or other similar software.
Probably also worth mentioning that I also looked at using a #Wordpress integration and #Hubzilla#GoToSocial#Pleroma#Humhub and #Streams. I found them to be clunky; reminding me of how email was in the early 90s.
If the fediverse is going to thrive, then it needs to make a good first impression. Moving beyond mastodon is a good step in the right direction.