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zeri, 26 days ago

@santiago "The UN" not just the USA would have to give up in Pusan... and what makes you so certain that the forcefully united Korea in your alternate history would not have turned out like the DPRK (a totalitarian shit hole) today?

And you can have the same though experiment with the PRC not entering the war when the situation was reversed but you don't admonish them for some reason.

zeri, 26 days ago

@santiago was what worth the death of 15% of the population? I'm against cohersive force in general but the rest of the people in the south got to live to an old age and die without being starving slaves to the supreme leader ... maybe you should ask them?

To me your question comes down to how much relative freedom people get to enjoy and what sacrifices are ok for that. You can make the same argument with Ukraine, or Burma or the parts of Syria/Irak that were part of ISIS.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago so you say you would not choose to live there? Do I get that right? What if the alternative was a 15% chance of death?

Because you know I would prefer a 15 % chance of death in a muddy trench over being forced to live in the USA let alone the DPRK.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago So while we are at labeling communist governments "evil" ... in 1979 China invaded Vietnam ... who were the evil communists then? And who were the good communists? Both, neither? Was it somehow the USAs fault? The last part is only half a joke; people keep telling me how the war in Ukraine is not on Russia.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago how many of the 3 million dead in the Korean war do you attribute to the chinese intervention? I mean they basically faught the UN troops back to Pusan before being faught back to the 38th parallel in turn ... leading to another 2 sackings of Seoul. For that matter, was the aim of forcefully reuniting Korea worth 3 Million deaths? The Sovjet invasion of Afghanistan also had like 2 Million dead civilians. The US clearly has no monopoly on causing mega deaths for their political goals.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago Well there's also the thing where Brazil isn't threatened with nuclear annihilation on a weekly basis. I bet your opinion would be different if you lived in say Poland or Estonia, Finland even. Because then you'd still be rightfully pissed at the USA but would definitely prefer them to all the alternatives on offer for your society.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago I was not claiming Russia was invading its neighbors because of communism; bc that would be stupid. My argument is that the US with all its hypocrisy and self serving double standards does still enable Europe to be effectively free from this neighbor that is a really really shitty neighbor regardless of whether it is communist or capitalist at any given time. Ask people in Eastern Europe about how grand being occupied for 50 years was for their respective countries compared to today.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago I really do believe you are reading too much into this economic system / ideology thing. People will always find a reason to take other peoples stuff by force. Capitalism and Communism aren't a "good" vs. "evil" thing and most wars are simply "I want your stuff"-wars. The economic system has less impact on this stuff than office term limits and an independent judiciary. If you can't setup reliable transfer of power the ideology of your society is about as important as its religion.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago capitalism didn't invent greedy people ... greedy people invented capitalism. it also didn't invent murderous psychopaths that want to tell everybody what to do. I just dont see why you are so certain that a bunch of exclusively communist countries would stop doing this empire building meme and would not be exploiting the shit out of each other. Big communist countries would totally threaten small communist countries and take their stuff.

zeri, 25 days ago

@santiago Russian imperialism didn't vanish in any year. The French stopped, the Germans stopped, the Brits stopped, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Portoguese, the Russians keep on going. And I for one wouldn't want to lay that on feet of communism except for stating that communism didn't change anything about this, not over night and not over half a century. And changing to stone age capitalism didn't improve things either. Russia is simply a shitty neighbor to have.

zeri, 28 days ago

@dexiheart well you can always compost them and grow healthy food with the results.