TatianaIlyina,
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An incomplete list of inappropriate comments I received from my male colleagues recently:

  • You look furious.
  • You have a quiet voice. A woman from Ukraine in our department also has a quiet voice.
  • You look nervous.
  • You gave me an angry look at the elevator and I didn't dare to discuss a project with you.
  • You are so modest.
  • You don't have to get so confrontational.

They reduce our professional interactions to an imaginary emotional state of mine.

Do men talk like this to each other?

Sir_Osis_of_Liver,
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@TatianaIlyina

I've been told I have an "angry face", or people have assumed I was angry when I wasn't, on a regular basis. My daughter and her friend were playing in the back yard and I overheard her friend ask why I was so angry all the time. My daughter: "He's not angry, it's just his face."

When I was electrical technical supervisor, by mechanical equivalent was called "Angry Doug". We'd known each other for twenty years. He was just blunt, and not particularly angry. People had difficulty sussing the difference, I guess.

I also had the nickname "Mumbles" that went on for years. My daughter: "Rubble, rubble, ruble, heh, heh, heh. Right Dad?".

I've been written up for getting into shouting matches with superiors. I tend to be very protective of the people who reported to me. I never bought the whole "Women are emotional, men are rational." Everyone is emotional, but the degree or type of emotions that are traditionally seen as socially acceptable are different.

glasspusher,
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@Sir_Osis_of_Liver @TatianaIlyina

I've been told I look angry.

The cowards.

I've experienced a lot of what you have, man. A lot of people assume I'm angry or something like that if they don't know me well.

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    @thepoliticalcat @Sir_Osis_of_Liver @TatianaIlyina

    I say what I mean, I mean what I say. No wonder I like hanging out with neurodivergents who do the same.

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    @thepoliticalcat @Sir_Osis_of_Liver @TatianaIlyina

    Luckily, I was never interested in being popular!

    I mean, sure, I've learned a bit of tact over the years, but I won't be switching to politics any time soon 😉

    Sir_Osis_of_Liver,
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    @thepoliticalcat @glasspusher @TatianaIlyina

    I was hoping for some more info. I hadn't found @glasspusher to be an angry sort. 🙂

    I much rather be told directly the good or the bad, rather than trying to follow a trail of breadcrumbs to the eventual meaning.

    I loaded trucks part time through high-school, worked with fishermen on the wharf, was in the reserves for a while, and worked with contractors for 25 years. From that, my takeaway has been to be direct, blunt and accurate. (As an aside, profanity is punctuation.)

    Working in the office though, I try to be more polite, but that can go out the window when things get stressful and deadlines approach.

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    @thepoliticalcat @Sir_Osis_of_Liver

    I’M NOT ANGRY IT’S JUST MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK

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    @thepoliticalcat @Sir_Osis_of_Liver

    The Edge of Wetness™

    Shivadam,
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    @glasspusher I like it.

    mansr,
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    @TatianaIlyina
    > Do men talk like this to each other?
    Yes.

    PotMetPetunias,

    @TatianaIlyina "Do men talk like this to each other?" In my experience as a male
    -> 1, 3, 4, 5, 6: Yes, if there is trust and respect in the relation.

    2 -> yes, them their sharing reminders of past/other experiences is a common thing.

    It occured less in a technical environment, mediocre in a technical education setting, and most in technical management setting.

    My experience lies in the Dutch work culture.

    airwhale,
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    @PotMetPetunias @TatianaIlyina

    Great point about culture background here. The degree to which we are comfortable with open conflict is very different, and this would be expected in a Dutch setting.

    My experience is with the Swedish work culture, and no, we are at the opposite end of the spectrum. Very rarely being this confrontational with either men or women. (At least not in group settings, can’t speak for how other men treat female colleagues 1:1)

    grb090423, (edited )
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    @TatianaIlyina

    In a word... NO!

    No they don't. I don't know why they feel they have to do this to women. Do they think it's being nice somehow?

    I really don't understand but it makes my blood boil.

    (I had to put up with this my entire working career.)

    And for others reading this, please note the word in the OP - incomplete. 😠

    TatianaIlyina,
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    @grb090423
    Is it too much to ask to avoid gender biases in professional communication, at least for well educated and supposedly informed academics?

    grb090423,
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    @TatianaIlyina

    Apparently it seems so.

    🤦‍♀️

    DebR,
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    @grb090423 @TatianaIlyina It is to show their dominance. To put the woman “in her place”. This was always my experience in the work place.

    TatianaIlyina,
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    @DebR @grb090423
    I recently talked to an esteemed female professor who has been around for a couple of decades longer than me and is very used to being the only women in the room. She explained that (1) male colleagues don't behave the same with each other and (2) this behavior is not ill-minded. On (2), I am trying to adopt this belief. As to (1), this is why I occasionally give it a shout-out in the hope that my male colleagues want to hear.

    grb090423,
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    @TatianaIlyina @DebR

    Yes. Good idea. They need to know they're doing it and it's not acceptable.

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