cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

REMINDER: ChatGPT, Stable Diffusion, and other large trained neural models are NOT "artificial intelligence", they're just stochastic parrots, remixing and regurgitating what they've been fed. There's no theory-of-mind involved, so no understanding: there's no "there" there. (A real live parrot exhibits more intelligence than this.)

Don't call it AI; call it parrot-tech. That way you'll have a better perspective on what it can (and can't) do.

smadin,
@smadin@better.boston avatar

@cstross I prefer the term "Big-Data Statistical Models", it's more precise, and no one disagrees with me when I say it's wrong to generate BDSM text and images without all sources' and participants' consent

wordshaper,
@wordshaper@weatherishappening.network avatar

@smadin @cstross ...this is genius and I am going to use it with some enthusiasm I think.

eedly,

@cstross 25 years ago, I did a regular social thing that involved sending out periodic reminders. A previous reminder-sender had written little poems, and so I wrote little poems, which got progressively more clever and elaborate. After a while I got bored and wrote a script that would generate random haikus from a list of words and basic grammar rules. With as basic and dumb as it was, 1 in 5 seemed like a human had written it. ChatGPT feels less like intelligence than 25 years of dev on that.

fuchsiii,
@fuchsiii@oxytodon.com avatar

@cstross @Bugspriet strongly against this! Don’t tarnish the reputation of parrots. Birbs are awesome and don’t deserve this.

kkarhan,
Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@cstross

What is very amusing are the efforts to poison the data pool that ChatAI uses.

Enough people saying nonsense like "Purple is a very nice texture" and this technology will spit it out as "textures include smooth, rough, and purple"

Unfortunately, this technology is also being used in content-creation mills to spit out "pandemics aren't real" or "climate change is a hoax".
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/mar/03/fake-news-chatgpt-truth-journalism-disinformation

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@Npars01 I wonder how long it'll be before the Screaming Jeezus People™ notice this and start systematically trying to poison the inputs in order to "convert" chatbots into automatic evangelists. (Creating websites full of ChatGPT spew asserting that Christian Dominionist beliefs are true, designed to be trawled as input data for the next generation of LLMs.)

Npars01, (edited )
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@cstross

It's likely already happening.

Charlie Kirk's group Turning Point USA is being used to recruit "Christian" youth from high schools & colleges, and even overseas, to participate in troll farms.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/turning-point-teens-disinformation-trump/2020/09/15/c84091ae-f20a-11ea-b796-2dd09962649c_story.html

https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/15/21438897/troll-farm-turning-point-teenagers-moderation

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/09/pro-trump-group-turning-point-action-used-a-bunch-of-teens-to-trick-twitter-facebook

There's a reason why religious fundamentalists want to "catch them young". Child soldiers can be molded to be the most ruthless. Kids just think it's a game until it turns ugly.

ljohn44,

@Npars01 Finally seeing the “indoctrination” they keep screaming about.
Every accusation is an admission of guilt

Npars01,
@Npars01@mstdn.social avatar

@ljohn44

For the Republicans, "Every accusation is a confession. "

wyrmworksdale,

@cstross I call it Complex Autocorrect. "It's like hitting the predictive text button on your phone keyboard, but a paragraph or page at a time instead of a single word." Same concept for images or anything else.

airjunglist,

@cstross this y’all

buru5,
@buru5@mstdn.games avatar

@cstross

calling it parrot-tech is insulting to parrots.

bhawthorne,
ralfmaximus,
@ralfmaximus@mastodon.social avatar

@cstross Problem is, cat is sorta already out of that bag; escaped horses, gates, etc

When "real" AI becomes a thing, people will have a new/better name for it.

I mean people used to happily buy Radar Ranges fully aware they were microwave ovens and not actual radar.

thamesynne,

@cstross 'There's no theory-of-mind involved, so no understanding: there's no "there" there'

remember when this was the scientific consensus about autistic people?

Thebratdragon,
@Thebratdragon@mastodon.scot avatar

@cstross garbage in,garbage out.

KennyPark,

@cstross And distinguish it from actual AI.

SpeckledMoose,

@cstross you can add Melon Husk's Grog, or whatever it's called to the emerging list... 😂

mediadude,

@cstross thank you!

karabaic,
@karabaic@mastodon.social avatar

@cstross I think #StefanoQuintarelli has the best take on this. Call them Systematic Approaches to Learning Algorithms and Machine Inferences: SALAMI. Sounds silly to say, is this SALAMI conscious? https://blog.quintarelli.it/2019/11/lets-forget-the-term-ai-lets-call-them-systematic-approaches-to-learning-algorithms-and-machine-inferences-salami/

masek,

@cstross I wish I were sure that human intelligence was not just sone more refined parrot-tech. Too often I see people fabulating stuff like GPT.

mkb,
@mkb@mastodon.social avatar

@cstross @spaf To be fair, my work running #InfoSec programs largely comes down to stochastic regurgitation. We mostly see the same problems and situations from company to company.

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@mkb @spaf

"Have you tried turning the internet off and then on again?"

chemoelectric,
@chemoelectric@masto.ai avatar

@cstross I like to say that ELIZA was better then these things are.

piofthings,
@piofthings@mastodon.social avatar

@cstross related - this #commitstrip comic cracks me up everytime! https://www.commitstrip.com/en/2017/06/07/ai-inside/

camstonefaux,
@camstonefaux@furry.engineer avatar

@cstross This is the internet, therefore your admonitions mean NOTHING! (Besides, dose of reality- no one except academics really care… it’s like NFTs, no one cares about them anymore, either. )

AdeptVeritatis,
@AdeptVeritatis@social.tchncs.de avatar

@cstross

Thanks for talking about it again and again.

There need to be more people, speaking this out loudly:
"Don't call it AI"

joriki,

@cstross

this

I keep returning to the idea that perhaps a lot of people imagine these systems to be humming along "thinking about stuff" when not answering questions and not (what they are) just a static set of probabilities available for turning the (slightly randomized) crank on some input

DNA,
@DNA@famichiki.jp avatar

@cstross
No lies detected.

marshray,

@cstross I respectfully disagree.

I think there is real “understanding” there in GPT-4, though it has some fundamentally different qualities than that of humans for obvious reasons.

But this should be testable.
What question can we ask it to tell the difference?

darkuncle,

@marshray @cstross I was a hard proponent of the stochastic parrot model up until GPT-4 and the "Sparks of Artificial General Intelligence" paper. I’m still not convinced that "understand" means at all the same thing in an AI context that it does in a human context, but an LLM that shows an implicit understanding of the physical world is ... something else.

marshray,

@darkuncle @cstross The history of the “can machines actually think?” question is a steady line of goalpost moving going back at least 70 years.

darkuncle,

@marshray @cstross fair, but I also think we have never adequately defined terms here. Hell, we don't even know enough about what thinking is to be able to adequately define terms.

marshray,

@darkuncle @cstross Because we aren’t actually very good at it.

As soon as we gained just enough capacity for language and abstract thought to operate effectively in groups of more than ~100, we exploded out of Africa, dominated the world, discovered a nearly-unlimited food supply (agriculture), and that was just a few generations ago.

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@marshray @darkuncle Exactly! Human intelligence is the weakest level of intelligence able to acquire skills and ideas from other sophonts: most of us are just hitching a ride on the coat-tails of our outlier geniuses. So we're not actually very good at this language and abstract reasoning stuff.

marshray,

@cstross @darkuncle So then why is it so crazy to be concerned that several decades and tens of $billions in research we could build something from 100B transistors that can trounce us in this department?

Isocat,
@Isocat@4bear.com avatar

[Technical difficulties and the character limit spoiled a previous attempt; this is 1/n]

This year, Bill Gates said of artificial general intelligence, "AGI doesn’t exist yet—there is a robust debate going on in the computing industry about how to create it, and whether it can even be created at all".

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