I fundamentally do not think it is wise for the ActivityPub community to be completely reimagining how an existing standard should be implemented, especially in a way that only satisfies the needs of a single client type.
We need to emphasize that the value of the #Fediverse lies in its cultural roots within the #openweb community. The technology itself, including the #ActivityPub
specification, is a product of this culture, not the result of mainstream interests.
However, as more funders invest in Fediverse technology, there's a risk of diluting the unique culture that created this digital commons.
As more #mainstreaming users migrate back to the #openweb
we must develop better tools and processes to manage the resulting challenges.
When members of our own community engage in detrimental behaviour, we need strategies to address and mitigate it effectively. Breaking the cycle of negative reinforcement requires fresh thinking and proactive measures.
An important distinction is slowly being uncovered about the definition of the term "fediverse." Who is it that gets to decide what this place is? How are we being represented? These are not easy questions to answer and if we don't do a better job describing ourselves, then the job will get done for us by people who don't understand the underlying values we hold. #fediverse#meta#threads
@BeAware we had to shut down the two instances we had been running for 5 years because of this "shouting into the void" issue. its getting much worse, yes I understand It's still better than the #dotcons, but it's a very real issue if you have been her since the beginning #OMN
@BeAware that's an interesting reply, am not talking about a personal expirence, am talking about a generalisation of thusends of users over 5 years. Good to focus. Signal-to-noise.
What happens if you are the admin of the instance, why are you running it? If the "users" do not care enough to engage and can leave as if it was disposable?
"Another benefit, for me at least," and "you can mostly be seen across Fedi with little issues" "I can be on"
Is the kinda issues that make the "community" based "native" crew reluctant.
And yes, what you are doing and saying is "common sense" of the influx. This is what the original post is about "shouting into the void"
Without community, this #openweb reboot fails no mattery how meany "users and reach" they get. As there will be nobody to run it, good to think about this.
Have been looking at #dat again, do you think we can build this:
The Open Media Network is a trust based, human moderated, #4opens project that builds a database shared across many peers (both #p2p and server). The project is more important for what it DOES NOT DO, than what it does do, using technology to build human networks. There are ONLY 5 main functions:
• Publish (object to a stream of objects) – to publish an object (text, image, link)
• Subscribe (to a stream of objects) – to a person or organization, a page, a group, a hashtag subject etc.
• Moderate (stream or object) – you can say I like/dislike (push/pull or yes/no) this etc you can comment.
• Rollback (stream) – you can remove from your flow (instance database) untrusted historical content by publishing flow/source/tag.
• Edit (meta data of object/stream) – you can edit the metadata in any site/instance/app you have a login on.
We would build in the moderation tools of the #Fediverse.
This is the back-end of the project to build a #DIY trust based, grassroots, semantic web. The front-end may be anything you like, for example regional-/city-/subject-based #indymedia sites to a distributed archiving project #makeinghistory
The data cauldron and the golden ladle. The technology we call the #WitchesCaldron.
@happyborg what is the difference between dat and #Safenetwork I am assuming some political difference dressed in tech assumptions. What is the politics of dat and safenetwork?
We have measured something researchers call beliefs about "role-based communal affordances" in my lab or in other words: how much do software developers think that the job of being a software developer includes helping other people and improving their lives? And the answer is A LOT of professional developers think this is important and see this as part of their identity.
People's beliefs about the communal affordances of software work is an undermeasured, underappreciated important thing imo.
@grimalkina this is something that needs talking about, how people aspire to meaning and the lack of meaning in outcomes is an issue that is avoided in most of these conversations. I talk about this issue a lot over the last 20 years.
@serapath that's an interesting one as torrents still technically work, and the infustrcurtue is still online, though riddled with ads and SPAM. So while technically this is still functioning, it is socially degraded and pushed into the shadow by the #dotcons like Netflix and Amazon Prime etc.
"* #p2p was the poster child of the era of the #openweb it was caught in the quicksand of legal issues, the shadow that was left was eclipsed by "free to use" #dotcons Now finds it hard to come back due to mobile devices not having an IP address, thus most people not actually able to use p2p reliably."
An example of this, my torrent client is regularly blocked by my mobile internet provider - I live on a boat, and yes I do get round this but most people would stumble when this happens.
It's the NGO crew feeding on foundation money, https://opencollective.com/dat phwww. Is any of this tech any use at all... likely not, but hard to say.
@serapath what are you guys working on for a socially useful project https://playproject.io/#ourContributors in the era of #climatchaos we need stuff that works/people use/works circal. just tech is not anything without social use, outreaching like you are doing with me is a conversation... can you hear what I am saying is real social outcome leading to use :)
@serapath can I ask who is funding this new outreach of #dat tech dev, this usually can be used to find out if the is hope or fail of #NGO tech projects.
OK so it clearly comes from the #web03 mess, I was smelling this, good to have a link, thanks @aral
Like most blockchain mess, they have stepped away... now the question is the tech they have built useful or useless, can it be run as unbranded community projects? Rather than branded #NGO tech fail. Anyone have information on this, please?
A #gadgeteer is also the naive or careless person who wears these #gadgets and is either oblivious of the detrimental externalities of the tech to society, or criminally negligent of those (usually #trend-following hipsters).
@subMedia I wonder what this instance is running on... and how it's funded ongoing, the lack of transparency on this is a troubling, but also normal with #fahernista activism... would prefer to have a way to find this out #4opens if at all possible.
@subMedia in this context its about not understanding the hard wear security and money stability... so transparency I suppose. We have just shut down our two instances after 5 years so wondering about this instance's outline to stay online :)
Interesting to hear the #MOD view of the Russian Ukrainian war... As you would expect it's very #mainstreaming and pushing a strong rightwing view. Good to see this side as balance. No thinking on #climatechaos over the next 10-20 years in any long term thinking expressed.
Working on a DRAFT text to take to the Oxford Modern Art Gallery to ask if they will organize a retrospective:
Exhibition Title: "Banners of Activism: The Legacy of Thalia and Ian Campbell"
Introduction: Welcome to a thought-provoking exhibition celebrating the legacy of Ian and Thalia Campbell, a visionary duo whose artistic journey traversed the realms of fine art into the heart of politics, utilizing banners as their canvas for social change. Join us on an immersive tour through five decades of impassioned activism, each banner a vibrant testament to the symbiosis of art and collective movements.
About the Artists: Thalia and Ian Campbell, fine artists, etchers, and painters, evolved into influential figures in the world of activism. For over 50 years, they crafted hundreds of banners that became the cornerstone of multiple causes: peace, politics, anti-racism, environmentalism, and more. Their banners are not mere fabric; they're conduits of societal messages, symbols laden with emotions and fervor.
Art and Activism Unite: The Campbells' foray into banners catalyzed their fusion of politics and art. Prior to this transition, they exhibited fine art from the 1950s onwards. However, the rejection of their art as being "too political" by the establishment became the catalyst for their creative revolution. They undertook the art deemed too politically charged and transformed it into a tool for social change.
The Power of Banners: Each banner is an embodiment of artistry and political conviction, meticulously crafted with meaning in every color, material, and symbol. Created in various settings - from kitchen tables to collaborations with other artists, often residing and developing over months - these banners narrate stories of collective movements and societal change.
Activism and Influence: Thalia's pivotal role as a founder member of the Women for Life on Earth group led to the establishment of the Greenham peace camp in 1981, an iconic moment inspiring one of their banners crafted from a sheet, repurposed for various daily needs. Meanwhile, Ian's engagement in ecological and social issues, including political candidacy, further cemented their commitment to change.
Legacy and Recognition: The Campbells' banners have transcended geographical boundaries, finding homes in various museums worldwide, extending to the Tate, Briton, the Bradford Peace Museum, the Museum of Wales, the Imperial War Museum, and even the River Clyde's Robert Owen Museum in Scotland. Replicas and gifts have reached New Zealand, Oregon, Chicago, and numerous venues globally, enriching cultural spaces with their resonant messages.
Chronicle of Movements: the companion book to this exhibition "A Picture Paints a Thousand Words," is the culmination of Ian and Thalia's banner portfolio, serves as a visual journey through decades of historical campaigning movements. From Greenham and the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament to the Miner's Strike, Anti-war protests, Trade Unions, and the Labour Party, these banners offer a unique artistic glimpse into pivotal moments in history.
Transition from Fine Art to Politics: The rejection of their art by the establishment led Ian and Thalia Campbell to seize their creative expression and transform it into a force for societal change. Their journey serves as an inspiring narrative of how art, initially rejected as too political, was repurposed to become a voice for collective movements and social advocacy.
Conclusion: Experience the vibrancy and power of these banners, which have transcended their material form to become symbols of hope, change, and societal progress. Explore the fusion of art and activism, witness history through fabric and color, and immerse yourself in the monumental impact of Thalia and Ian Campbell's dedication to art, politics, and social change.
Join us and witness the visual narrative of resilience, activism, and artistic brilliance at the "Banners of Activism: The Legacy of Thalia and Ian Campbell" exhibition. Your journey through these banners will reveal the inherent power of art to inspire change and mark history.