Funny how the "frequently asked questions" for the #StackOverflow#OpenAI thing does not list the question "How do I opt out of this?" (nor the answer to it).
The fediverse won’t succeed at putting up a #Stackoverflow substitute and that’s a problem?
Just an impression: All the pieces seem to be there. But what’s required is a team, with devs, PMs and coordinators, dedicated to making a particular place in the #fediverse .
That’s resources and decently sized financial and organisational demands, especially to get a critical mass of users.
Is the fediverse up to that challenge? If not, is it an issue worth addressing?
Amen. Same problem here. But feel free to hit me up if you find someone who wants to do it. I wouldnt mind helping with design stuff since that meeds different skills than coding.
Zawsze, ale to zawsze jak wchodzi z finansowaniem VC (Vencure Capital) to serwisy, nawet zakładane przez zaufane osoby ze społeczności dają d... wróć, dają ciała...
Czy można wiedzę IT zbieraną przez społeczność od 2008 roku sprzedać, nie będąc jej właścicielem?
Jak jest się białym chłopem z krzemowej doliny, to pewnie, że można :/
Not all things are meant to last forever. Their impact was HUGE to developer space. It made programming so much easier and the model worked for over a decade plus! An incredible place to go learn and find answers when you ran into some most ridiculous problems at work.
Now, their traffic has been dying. They didn't jump to AI, they tried to resist it. But developers left them, and have been leaving them. What are they supposed to do? lay down and die?
@risike It definitely is still there. They undeleted the content, which thankfully wasn't a lot because they've always been gatekeeping asshats over there. My account is still there too as they completely ignored my GDPR request.
The only 100% sure thing here is that I will never contribute an iota of content to that site ever again. Exploitation is definitely a deal breaker.
It's hard to imagine #StackOverflow made their decision without considering the fate #Twitter and #Reddit suffered. That they willingly chose to burn the remaining goodwill they had with their users is bewildering.
Like many other technologists, I gave my time and expertise for free to #StackOverflow because the content was licensed CC-BY-SA - meaning that it was a public good. It brought me joy to help people figure out why their #ASR code wasn't working, or assist with a #CUDA bug.
Now that a deal has been struck with #OpenAI to scrape all the questions and answers in Stack Overflow, to train #GenerativeAI models, like #LLMs, without attribution to authors (as required under the CC-BY-SA license under which Stack Overflow content is licensed), to be sold back to us (the SA clause requires derivative works to be shared under the same license), I have issued a Data Deletion request to Stack Overflow to disassociate my username from my Stack Overflow username, and am closing my account, just like I did with Reddit, Inc.
The data I helped create is going to be bundled in an #LLM and sold back to me.
In a single move, Stack Overflow has alienated its community - which is also its main source of competitive advantage, in exchange for token lucre.
Stack Exchange, Stack Overflow's former instantiation, used to fulfill a psychological contract - help others out when you can, for the expectation that others may in turn assist you in the future. Now it's not an exchange, it's #enshittification.
Programmers now join artists and copywriters, whose works have been snaffled up to create #GenAI solutions.
The silver lining I see is that once OpenAI creates LLMs that generate code - like Microsoft has done with Copilot on GitHub - where will they go to get help with the bugs that the generative AI models introduce, particularly, given the recent GitClear report, of the "downward pressure on code quality" caused by these tools?
While this is just one more example of #enshittification, it's also a salient lesson for #DevRel folks - if your community is your source of advantage, don't upset them.
I feel your disappointment, but it's best to find a non-commercial community, and there's reason to put effort into making them; it seems Mastodon is a good place to start looking.
When stripped bare, #Stackoverflow is a profit-making software company that runs a website encouraging people to improve its product for free. The strategy of these companies seems to be to take over public-interest websites and pretend it's business as usual. However, whilst they are paying lip service to the altruism, they want to increase profits and market share. This is exemplified in their self-serving PR statement about attribution from back in February: https://stackoverflow.blog/2024/02/29/defining-socially-responsible-ai-how-we-select-api-partners/
In that statement, they use the word power a lot. That's what's really important to them.
Strong agree. A lot of Elinor Ostrom's work around governance of the commons - where we get the phrase "tragedy of the commons" - relied on mechanisms of co-operation between institutions.
One of the key challenges I see here is that corporations like OpenAI now have a lot more power than even groups of institutions - lawmakers, governments, civil society. We've seen that recently with the way Meta has influenced government policy around paying to share content from commercial news agencies.
There's also a paradox here - an increased production of work in the Commons is good for OpenAI - because it provides them with more data. However, the way in which the Commons is used - to create for-profit products like #GPT, serves as a constraint on people donating creative material to the commons.