baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

Google translate between Icelandic and English has gone from 75% useful, 25% laughable nonsense to mostly unusable in the space of a year. You used to be able to use it effectively as a dictionary. Enter a single word and you'd get the most common dictionary translation

Now, half the time you'll just get nonsense.

guigsy,
@guigsy@mstdn.social avatar

@baldur I'm noticing a huge decrease in the quality of Google Maps. Lots of incorrect directions and incorrect rights of way.

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@guigsy Ouch!

craiggrannell,
@craiggrannell@mastodon.social avatar

@baldur Icelandic appears to be a forgotten language. It’s notable that Duolingo still doesn’t cover it – although that’s perhaps for the best, given its shift towards AI and automation.

It’s a bit sad that mini-G is learning Spanish and now German in Duolingo, and French at school, but we haven’t yet found a suitable means of getting Icelandic into her head, in self-learning times. (Drops was OK for vocab, but that’s all it does – nothing more.)

craiggrannell,
@craiggrannell@mastodon.social avatar

@baldur Might be good if she knows at least some passable Icelandic by the time we have to reapply for her Icelandic citizenship. (Which I will never stop being dumfounded that this is something we will have to do.)

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@craiggrannell Yeah, the system here is absolutely horrible in that regard 😐

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

It "helpfully" autocorrects Icelandic words it doesn't recognise before translation, which would be sort of okay if it worked. But it seems to recognise a fraction of the Icelandic words it used to and its autocorrections are utter garbage.

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

And the gaps are utterly weird. It'll handle "moltugerð" just fine, but not "sjónskekkja" or "loðna", both words that are arguably much more commonly used.

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

Let's just say that if it weren't for the photo, you'd have no idea what animal this news story was about

Funnily, it gets it right in the tags, but never in the body of the story, where "bifur" is variously translated as car, bier, wild bison, and bivalbe

https://www-ruv-is.translate.goog/frettir/erlent/2024-05-16-villtur-bifur-a-ferd-fyrsta-sinni-i-2500-ar-412820?_x_tr_sl=is&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

dzajew,
@dzajew@fosstodon.org avatar

@baldur "He says that it is quite likely that the car that hissed at the kindergarten children is the same one that was spotted at Gedser Odde six months ago" - that's a one impolite car

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@dzajew Not a chill car at all 😁

datarama,
@datarama@hachyderm.io avatar

@baldur "wild beaver at large for the first time in 2500 years"?

(I don't speak Icelandic, but I do speak Danish. Is my attempt better than Google Translate's?)

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@datarama Yup. Nailed it. Google Translate's version was "A wild bison is on the move for the first time in 2,500 years" which is hilariously wrong 🙂

threedaymonk,
@threedaymonk@sonomu.club avatar

@baldur There are some weird lacunae in Google's dictionaries of less-common languages. For example, the Google Android keyboard doesn't recognise the word "siad" in Irish. It means "they" and is about as common a word as you can find! Welsh is missing "ble" ("where")! Entering Gaelic is similarly frustrating.

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@threedaymonk Apple is the same. It's keyboard frequently forgets that the word "kominn" or "arrived" exists, for example. That error noticeably first appeared when Apple rolled out its ML-based autocorrect.

karlhigley,
@karlhigley@recsys.social avatar

@baldur It “helpfully” [and silently] auto-corrects English words toward the things it has translations for too

“trader” (merchant) -> [“traitor”] -> “svikari”

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@karlhigley Yeah, that's the thing

And then it "autocorrects" the containing phrase to match the "autocorrected" translation often resulting in plausible-sounding nonsense.

tkinias,
@tkinias@historians.social avatar

@baldur
“plausible-sounding nonsense” is really where we are these days
@karlhigley

baldur,
@baldur@toot.cafe avatar

@tkinias @karlhigley It really is.

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