molly0xfff,
@molly0xfff@hachyderm.io avatar

"[The moderator crackdown is] just a reminder that anything you post on any of these platforms can and will be used for profit. It's just a matter of time until all your messages on Discord, Twitter etc. are scraped, fed into a model and sold back to you." – @ben

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/stack-overflow-bans-users-en-masse-for-rebelling-against-openai-partnership-users-banned-for-deleting-answers-to-prevent-them-being-used-to-train-chatgpt

h/t @dangillmor

douglascodes,
@douglascodes@mastodon.social avatar
mshiltonj,
@mshiltonj@mastodon.online avatar

@molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor AI is going to ruin the internet. Everyone will be alone, an island unto themselves, surrounded by a sea of bots. And if we see another island, we will have no way to know if it's a bot on that island. The internet has stopped being real.

Hyperlynx,
@Hyperlynx@aus.social avatar

Time to switch to Codidact.

https://software.codidact.com/

It's the same thing as StackOverflow, only run by a not-for-profit.

shom,
@shom@fosstodon.org avatar

@molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor Stack Overflow's conduct and handling of the situation is atrocious. I support protesting/pressuring SO but deleting answers is only detrimental to real humans looking for help via search engines. SO has backups/edit-caches that OpenAI will consume, deleting makes that data exclusive to the "AI".

Adding a protest message to answers and directing users to community forums/spaces outside of walled gardens is more effective.

More nuance here: https://shom.dev/posts/20240507_enshittification-protests-beget-more-enshittification/

mike805,

@shom @molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor Ever heard of low-background steel? Various instruments are made out of world war 2 and earlier battleship steel, some recovered from the bottom of the ocean, because all post-1945 steel is radioactive.

Pre-2023 Internet content is going to be a precious resource like low-background steel someday, the way things are going. Archives will be valuable, especially if one has the legal right to use them. (Although that will NOT deter people, they will obfuscate.)

gsuberland,
@gsuberland@chaos.social avatar

@molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor Admin (SEI employee), not moderator (volunteer community member), but yes.

bennysp,
@bennysp@fosstodon.org avatar

@molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor

Who cares? I mean, Google and the search engines have made money on SO already for the results just by ads alone. Why the stance now?

To be clear.... any public data is monetized....Don't fool yourself.

Federation (public) can be pulled and used for monetization too, because it is open by design.

mattsains,

@bennysp @molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor many were under the impression that our content on StackExchange is licensed under CC-BY-SA which requires attribution. Reliable attribution is not possible in LLMs, as opposed to search engines

bennysp,
@bennysp@fosstodon.org avatar

@mattsains @molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor

But when you search Google and find your answer on SO at the top, what made anyone think this wasn’t being monetized?

bennysp,
@bennysp@fosstodon.org avatar

@mattsains @molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor

I will go further... what makes anyone think offering an open license model solution that is public, will prevent anyone from finding a loophole to monetizing?

AskPippa,
@AskPippa@c.im avatar

@molly0xfff @ben @dangillmor Question: "scraped, fed into a model." Can't people scrape posts, etc. from Mastodon? They're not exactly hidden from the Internet... (Seriously, I don't know how this works)

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