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Testnet time!

The last test highlighted a few areas we’ll be looking at.

  • Does removing kademlia-caching helped with data-PUT reliability?

  • How is the enhanced logging working?

  • Downloads should also be clearer/faster when they fail

  • And finally, we’re also heaptracking all nodes to check for mem leaks.

Come and join us! 😎

https://safenetforum.org/t/datadebugnet-28-09-23-testnet/38713

#safenetwork #maidsafe #decentralization #decentralized

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After sixteen hours this is an extract from the display for my Safe Network node in the current .

For each 1 hr column it shows:

  • credit earned for providing storage (which I can use to buy storage from )
  • price to store each 1MB encrypted chunk
  • PUTS (number of entries chunks stored)

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I updated a few times recently, including today so it can display storage costs and earnings for the current testnet.

Here are two screenshots for my test node after six hours. The first with one minute columns, and the second with 1hour columns which shows the storage price trend more clearly:

vdash showing node statistics after six hours with 1 hour timeline columns.

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What if there was a truly network where running a node was possible on a mobile or any device, and doing so would earn you anonymous encrypted storage on that same network forever?

Secure, anonymous storage for anyone with an internet connection. No gatekeepers, just you and a global network of nodes running on almost any connected device.

We're testing it right now...

🥳

See: https://safenetforum.org/t/clientimprovementnet-22-09-23-testnet/38701?u=happybeing

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Testnet time!

We’re looking more concretely at the client. The last testnet aimed to see how clients performed with the concurrency and batch-size arguments, but a bug in StoreCost retrieval scuppered that effort.

Here we want to:

  • Confirm our fix is in place for that.
  • Explore how concurrency and batch size effect uploads.
  • Look at how Kademlia caching effects downloads of popular data.

Join us 😎

https://safenetforum.org/t/clientimprovementnet-22-09-23-testnet/38701

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Update, 21 September

We’re making excellent progress, and a back-of-a-beermat calculation suggests we’re past the halfway point to Beta now, with payments, store cost and rewards all in place.

https://safenetforum.org/t/update-21-september-2023/38699

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I'm looking forward to the day when we're all...

Remember all those testnets, it was so much fun, I miss that.

Anyone can be a part of the #SafeNetwork testnets right now.

Join in the fun at: https://safenetforum.org

#p2p #decentralization

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vdash v0.8.8 is published to creates.io adding a Storage Cost timeline with min, mean and max display.

vdash is a terminal GUI for monitoring one or more Safe Network nodes. It was my 'learn a bit of Rust' project but turned out to be useful. It has fans!

https://github.com/happybeing/vdash


The SAFE Network: A Deep Dive into the Wisdom of Natural Systems (metaquestions.me)

As we venture into the realm of decentralised systems, it’s crucial to heed the lessons that nature offers. Our planet has spent over 4 billion years perfecting systems that are both efficient and resilient, without the need for unnatural constructs like network-wide consensus or total order. By embracing these principles, the...

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Update 14 Sept

Here’s what we've changed this week in response to the testnet.

Price change tolerance is now handled by the client not the node.

We have tweaked the price-capacity curve so that storage stays cheaper for longer.

We have started paying for storage using UXTOs sent over the wire instead of full DBCs.

We have added streaming capabilities to self-encryption, meaning that large files are chunked stepwise.

https://safenetforum.org/t/update-14-september-2023/38667

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Update 07 Sept

Call it synchronicity, a confluence of decentralised thinking, or longstanding issues coming to a head, but just as @dirvine was chatting to the team this week about protection against Sybil attacks, a post popped up alerting us to Vitalik Buterin’s thoughts on the topic.

David’s initial response, is ion teh forum. Tldr; outside of blockchain-land Sybil may not be so scary after all.

https://safenetforum.org/t/update-07-september-2023/38641

#safenetwork #maidsafe #decentralized #decentralization

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You'd think after nearly a decade following a project in depth every day, that there wouldn't be much left to learn but 🤦‍♂️

TIL 1: the big flaw of and its derivatives is consensus. It was seen as essential but is its Achilles' heel because having every node in agreement comes at great cost (energy, computation, throttling, centralisation).

TL 2: you can create a robust economic system without consensus.

That's 's biggest innovation in .

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RewardNet Testnet

After a successful DialNet we’re looking to test our reworked payment process. Now instead of badly guesstimating costs on the network, we ask each and every node how much they’d like and pay that. (This can be tweaked to avoid bad actors easily enough). As such, every node will receive rewards for PUTs directly!

https://safenetforum.org/t/rewardnet-04-09-23-testnet/38625

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Update 31 Aug

The DialNet testnet, launched this morning, contains some improvements to the issue of dialling unroutable peers.

We’ve also been looking at the API and developer experience. This will be our primary focus over the coming weeks.

And we're at the point where we can start seriously examining data replication, incentives, updates and resilience at scale.

https://safenetforum.org/t/update-31-august-2023/38610

#maidsafe #safenetwork #decentralization #decentralized

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happyborg,
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@johnleonard nice article John 👏

I suspect projects don't mention cryptocurrency or tokens because so many people have a knee jerk reaction to them. I see it all the time when they read a bit about Safe Network and lump it in with everything they hate about the last few years. 🤷‍♂️

But as you point out, a non blockchain token or some other means to incentivise providers will be essential for a truly #p2p alternative to centralised cloud and app services.

At least #SafeNetwork kept clean of VCs

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Testnet time

Over the past weeks we have seen some nodes that do not receive records. These nodes aren’t seen as part of the network, but function like clients.

We have now fixed this issue and this testnet aims to test how effective the fix is.

Join us if you can!

https://safenetforum.org/t/dialnet-or-are-you-listening-31-08-23-testnet/38607

#safenetwork #maidsafe #decentralization

f17f9f6ff8e3a5ef95bbd20958678b0218df25d253a3485f756d8755e6208ead, to Bitcoin

#p2p network with web of trust based weighted token trading, with tokens ultimately traded with a blockchain like #bitcoin

tokens on the network are traded for network resources like transfers, storage and computation

happyborg,
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@f17f9f6ff8e3a5ef95bbd20958678b@mostr.pub do you know about #SafeNetwork?

Test networks are running now specifically on the past where users pay to store and resource providers get paid, using a network token that is exchanged using Digital Bearer Certificates, validated by the network.

Fully #p2p, just simple nodes that run on anything, and a client app that talks to them.

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Update 24 August

We continue to refine features ready for the next testnet, notably introducing pay-per-chunk and UTXO.

Paying per chunk means treating each chunk individually rather than the client bundling them into a merkle-tree and asking nodes for a quote on that file.

UTXO is a more streamlined payment system.

Read on ... 👀

https://safenetforum.org/t/update-24-august-2023/38598/1

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This new protocol has captured my heart and mind.

Need to do some more thinking and processing, but could it be that this is a small glimmer of light--taking the best components of what blockchains offered (p2p signed transaction chains) without all the grift nonsense--to enable next-gen local-first apps? Gods I hope so.

https://p2panda.org/

#p2p #localfirst #lofi

happyborg,
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@amcjen
See also #SafeNetwork which is coming to fruition.

happyborg, to random
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Poor #Tor.

These days people go apeshit at anyone mentioning cryptocurrency. I'm familiar with the issues having followed closely since 2008, but think it's usually way over the top groupthink.

So I feel sorry for @torproject. Their model was always weak because of the economics, and they aren't issuing their own con, er I mean coin anyway.

They thought taking a donation would be fine, but too many people go apoplectic at the mention of cryptocurrency, especially on Mastodon so 🤦‍♂️

happyborg,
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@pleiades @torproject Soulseek was new on me. It deserves credit for longevity although I think there are probably more small projects I've not heard of because I don't go actively looking. It is limited though and seems vulnerable in various ways, and as noted has not scaled in functionality or adoption.

My favourite is running test networks to finalise parts of the implementation and get ready to launch: #SafeNetwork

Fully autonomous, secure, privacy focussed, #p2p file storage/app platform.

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Update 17 August

Thanks to all of you who have mucked in with testing ThePriceIsRightNet. It really is a massive help, and once again you’ve uncovered some unexpected issues.

Indeed, this one has been a bit of a curate’s egg - good in some parts... a bit whiffy in others.

https://safenetforum.org/t/update-17-august-2023/38587

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I've had a pint of PIMMS, should I:

happyborg,
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Well if it all goes pear 🍐 I blame ⬆️ you lot, all three of you because I have just published an update to for use with ThePriceIsRightNet (the current ).

See https://safenetforum.org/t/vdash-node-dashboard-for-safe-network/32630/92?u=happybeing

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New Testnet

When last we testnetted, we were checking that we could pay a default price for data.

Now we have some rudimentary price discovery in place, nodes can report a price based upon how much relevant data they have stored, and clients will choose the lowest price that should ensure a majority of nodes will accept the data.

Join us!

https://safenetforum.org/t/thepriceisrightnet-14-08-23-testnet/38580

#maidsafe #safenetwork #testnet #decentralization #decentralized

happyborg, to random
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#Veilid sounds interesting to this big fan of #p2p solutions.

Why will people run a Veilid node? Is it for altruistic reasons, like Tor or is there some incentive involved?

I don't have time to dig in right now but that seems a crucial issue related to scaling and sustaining, which is one of the problems many such projects face.

happyborg,
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@fak3r Thanks, I was just curious but someone replied that every Veilid app is a node, so all nodes are equivalent.

Personally I am running nodes for testing another p2p project. If that might be of interest, click the hashtag to find the current testnet which started yesterday:

It's much easier than hosting a server. A simple install and a cli command for the node. I'm just running cloud nodes until they enable operation behind NAT (home routers). Nodes are very lightweight.

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Update 10 August

The next testnet, which should be launched any day now, will look at variable store costs. As a quick refresher, when nodes get full, the price of data storage increases in order to attract more nodes onto the network; conversely, when there is plenty of space on the network, the store cost falls.

https://safenetforum.org/t/update-10-august-2023/38571

#maidsafe #safenetwork #decentralized #decentralization

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