ChristosArgyrop, to programming
@ChristosArgyrop@mstdn.science avatar

Popularity of languages from August ( is 28 at 0.68%).
Has its limitations, but a couple of points worth noting :

  1. and are holding rather well
  2. languages that are involved in some sort of data analysis and processing (, /c++) are doing very well. Not sure what to make of ; are ppl in seeing through the reality is a scripting over extremely performant c/c++ and that there are other lang that can glue as well?
    & are ⬆️
paul, to python
@paul@fedi.nlpagan.net avatar

I'm working on removing an important spreadsheet from Google Docs, and maintain that in LibreOffice.
Thing: In G Docs I wrote a few macros to sort the file in various ways, using 4 and 5 fields.
Libre Calc only allows 3 sort fields, and the G-Doc macros don't work in Libre Calc.

I've written a program to convert a CSV to a file with fixed length, and writing a program to do the sorting for me.

Sorting multiple columns in Python is a PITA. In COBOL it's laughably simple.

I wish something like the IBM S/34 would exist for Linux. That would make this even simpler.

r_ivorra, to programming

Here's a list of 9 languages which are supposedly "heading for extinction". But, are they? It includes #R, , / , , or ...

https://www.makeuseof.com/programming-languages-heading-for-extinction/

mjgardner, to VisualBasic
@mjgardner@social.sdf.org avatar

@ChristosArgyrop Bad news, according to this “Make Use Of” both and are “heading for extinction” along with (and ), , , , (the language in discontinued ), and : https://apple.news/A9sb4_KhEQoeIdeulO_zfgw

The text hedges the headline’s assertion for every entry above. And of course, it cites .

It’s also syndicated on , which has had, um, quality control problems lately: https://futurism.com/msn-ai-brandon-hunter-useless

ethauvin, to haskell
@ethauvin@mastodon.social avatar
ovid, to Lisp
@ovid@fosstodon.org avatar

, , and are three powerful programming languages that share a common feature.

Nobody knows how the hell to capitalize them.

tetrislife,

@ovid and programmers also complain they are not capitalized right.

@hetoug if Perl can be powerful, so can Javascript!

@tripleo

ai6yr, to Java
@ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org avatar

LOL using AI to convert an ancient language #COBOL into a questionable one #Java (having been a professional Java programmer in my lifetime... not my favorite language. Unless you like to chase infinite memory leaks and apps which keep on getting bigger, and bigger, and bigger, and bigger until they use all the memory available on your system.) https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/22/ibm-taps-ai-to-translate-cobol-code-to-java/

pwaring, (edited ) to random
@pwaring@fosstodon.org avatar

'Use AI to rewrite COBOL as Java' sounds like it was designed to test the saying that 'no one got fired for buying IBM'.

(yes, this is really a service IBM is offering - a quick search will find lots of press releases etc)

#cobol #java

abucci, to ProgrammingLanguages
@abucci@buc.ci avatar

A weird thing about being 50 is that there are programming languages that I've used regularly for longer than some of the software developers I work with have been alive. I first wrote BASIC code in the 1980s. The first time I wrote an expression evaluator--a fairly standard programming puzzle or homework--was in 1990. I wrote it in Pascal for an undergraduate homework assignment. I first wrote perl in the early 1990s, when it was still perl 4.036 (5.38.2 now). I first wrote java in 1995-ish, when it was still java 1.0 (1.21 now). I first wrote scala, which I still use for most things today, in 2013-ish, when it was still scala 2.8 (3.4.0 now). At various times I've been "fluent" in 8086 assembly, BASIC, C, Pascal, perl, python, java, scala; and passable in LISP/Scheme, Prolog, old school Mathematica, (early days) Objective C, matlab/octave, and R. I've written a few lines of Fortran and more than a few lines of COBOL that I ran in a production system once. I could probably write a bit of Haskell if pressed but for some reason I really dislike its syntax so I've never been enthusiastic about learning it well. I've experimented with Clean, Flix, Curry, Unison, Factor, and Joy and learned bits and pieces of each of those. I'm trying to decide whether I should try learning Idris, Agda, and/or Lean. I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting a few languages. Bit of 6502 assembly long ago. Bit of Unix/Linux shell scripting languages (old enough to have lived and breathed tcsh before switching to bash; I use fish now mostly).

When I say passable: in graduate school I wrote a Prolog interpreter in java (including parsing source code or REPL input), within which I could run the classic examples like append or (very simple) symbolic differentiation/integration. As an undergraduate I wrote a Mathematica program to solve the word recognition problem for context-free formal languages. But I'd need some study time to be able to write these languages again.

I don't know what the hell prompted me to reminisce about programming languages. I hope it doesn't come off as a humblebrag but rather like old guy spinning yarns. I think I've been through so many because I'm never quite happy with any one of them and because I've had a varied career that started when I was pretty young.

I guess I'm also half hoping to find people on here who have similar interests so I'm going to riddle this post with hashtags:

#C #R

scruss, to RaspberryPi
@scruss@xoxo.zone avatar

@ukscone you wrote #COBOL to control GPIO on the #RaspberryPi …?

joe, to random
@joe@toot.works avatar

I guess it makes sense. I'm sure it's hard to find somebody who is good at #cobol. I don't think that they are going to get the result they are after, based on LLMs like ChatGPT, though.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/08/22/ibm-taps-ai-to-translate-cobol-code-to-java/

srfirehorseart, to tech
@srfirehorseart@ohai.social avatar

Currently feeling nostalgic for my mainframe #COBOL coding days.

As a contractor, I had work at various sites around England and Wales. Moved around a lot. Good income but terrible for my social life.

I was very happy to eventually settle in one place for a few years.

Now I'm wondering if it's possible to get remote work in this line?

#coding #tech

walkerb, to OpenAI

"Now do it in COBOL"

Was a comment I got from a friend who really is a 10x engineer.

I took her up on her challenge.

Never worked with COBOL before tonight so this is decidedly linear code, but it works and calls GPT-4...

🙇‍♂️​

https://github.com/nakedmcse/CobolSong

#cobol #openai

COBOL code showing the prompt

ovid, to javascript
@ovid@fosstodon.org avatar

I started programming in 1982. Though I'm known as a developer, I tried to remember every other languages I've programmed in.

, #C, 6809 Assembler, , VBScript (and its many variants), , , , , , , Easytrieve, and probably a few others.

I wish I had gotten a job in Prolog, primarily because I loved what I could create with it. I don't love programming; I love creating.

What are you languages?

RetroFunPL, to retrocomputing
@RetroFunPL@8bit.red avatar

I found the following gem from 1972 while doing research for the article:

(Oh, yes, I WROTE A POST that I'm half-proud of! Was BASIC really THAT BAD? Why did Dijkstra say it crippled the mind?
Let's find out the broader context of the famous quote! Please share and comment if you like the post :))

🇺🇸 https://retrofun.pl/2023/12/18/was-basic-that-horrible-or-better/ and Polish version coming up soon)

:-)

SergKoren, to writing
@SergKoren@writing.exchange avatar

“He lived by the code. He died by the code. He was a COBOL programmer.”

sfwrtr, (edited )
@sfwrtr@eldritch.cafe avatar

@SergKoren

"“He lived by the code. He died by the code. He was a
"

And ironically suddenly highly in demand, despite being undead. Lots of code rot these days.

vwbusguy, to programming
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online avatar

Me: My backlog of projects is more than a little ridiculous right now. I've got to get caught up.

My brain: Hey, I bet we could write a #COBOL to #BASIC translator pretty quickly with a bit of #Python.

gtbarry, to Software
@gtbarry@mastodon.social avatar

The World Depends on 60-Year-Old Code No One Knows Anymore

Every day, 3 trillion dollars worth of transactions are handled by a 64-year-old programming language hardly anybody knows anymore.

It's called COBOL (Common Business Oriented Language), and despite the fact most schools and universities stopped teaching it decades ago, it remains one of the top programming languages used today

https://www.pcmag.com/articles/ibms-plan-to-update-cobol-with-watson

vesperto, to random

@vkc
So where would one start learning #COBOL?

AstraKernel, to Java

IBM says GenAI can convert that old COBOL code to Java for you

-> I saw in the timeline and went to check if it is fake post, nope it is true 😌

https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/22/ibm_says_genai_can_convert/

#java #programming #developer #cobol

itnewsbot, to generativeAI
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

IBM’s generative AI tool aims to refactor ancient COBOL code for its mainframes - Enlarge / COBOL 73, as seen (inside Windows) in the IRS's Austin, Texas... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1962519 #generativeai #mainframes #ibmwatson #mainframe #biz#cobol #tech #java #ibm #ai

changelog, to Software
@changelog@changelog.social avatar

🕺 It's Changelog & Friends!

THE Cameron Seay joins us once again! 👏

This time we learn more about his life/history, hear all about the boot camps he runs, discuss recent advancements in AI / quantum computing and how they might affect the tech labor market & more!

🎧 https://changelog.com/friends/36

#mainframes #cobol #software #education #podcast

jbzfn, to retrocomputing
@jbzfn@mastodon.social avatar

⌛ 20 Years in the Making, GnuCOBOL Is Ready for Industry | thenewstack.io

「 GnuCOBOL turns COBOL source code into executable applications. It is very cross-platform, running Linux, BSD, many proprietary Unixes, macOS, and Windows, even Android. And the latest version, v.32, is being used in many commercial settings 」

https://thenewstack.io/20-years-in-the-making-gnucobol-is-ready-for-industry/

#GnuCOBOL #Cobol #Retrocomputing

pierrearlais, to random French
@pierrearlais@mastodon.social avatar

Et oui avec 80 milliards de lignes de code et une croissance de 15% par an, #cobol se porte bien du haut de ses 64 ans !
https://thenewstack.io/20-years-in-the-making-gnucobol-is-ready-for-industry/

jbzfn, to taringa
@jbzfn@mastodon.social avatar

🤔 FORTRAN and COBOL Re-enter TIOBE Index

"So we have two legacy languages in the TIOBE Top 20 for rather different reasons - COBOL skills are still needed to sustain vital legacy (or should that be out-dated) systems. Fortran, on the other hand, has a role to play at the cutting edge of scientific research and can be expected to have an expanding role in its "Modern" incarnation."

https://www.i-programmer.info/news/239-awards-and-prizes/17194-fortran-and-cobol-re-enter-tiobe-index.html

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