TonyStark,
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From NBC news:

Ohio has followed many other states; voters are not enamored of Republican politicians policing their uteruses.

Dems need to run hard on freedom to choose in 2024 at every level in every race, despite the fact that a good couple of media pundits keep claiming the power and importance of this issue is winding down or limited. It isn’t. #AbortionRights

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna121782

MJ,
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@TonyStark 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

Don’t listen to people who say voting doesn’t matter or that it won’t work.

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passenger,

@MJ @TonyStark

(Except sadly in Mississippi, where they "ran out of ballots")

FantasticalEconomics,
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@TonyStark

For Ohio's vote to constitutionally legalize abortion in the state, the most recent numbers I've seen are 56% in favor to 44% (63% of votes counted).

While not the 2/3 of of people nationwide who polls show support legalized abortion, it is far from a close call.

This is a winning issue and one the Dems should keep pressing. It's immediate, it's impactful, it's right.

#VoteBlue

littleEva,

@FantasticalEconomics @TonyStark Damn Straight vote Blue

HopeVanDyne,
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@TonyStark Voters want Roe. They don't want 15 week ban with exceptions, they don't want a 13 week ban, and they don't want a 6 week ban. Republicans are backpedaling as fast as they can but it's not fast or far enough because they took away Roe, which was already the compromise.

Reject politicians offering anything less than the compromise of Roe and enshrine reproductive rights in law.

Balkingpoints,
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Also, nearly every Republican supports Trump. He installed 3 SCOTUS "justices" whom overturned Roe. Fully intentional, to the point that they all lied about it in their confirmation hearings.

Opens a window to tie your opponent both to Trump's myriad corruptions and to cancelling repro rights.

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  • TonyStark,
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    @Balkingpoints @Bam We wouldn’t be having to do any of this had people actually listened. Unfortunately, there aren’t do overs. Hope people can remember that moving forward.

    JamesBazan,
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    @TonyStark @Balkingpoints @Bam The oh-so-alternātive fake "left" always seem more adroit at attacking Democrats, though. Even today the GOP is feeding the social media discourse with "whataboutism" that tries to erase the work Democrats did to make those sweeps happen (even in local races in NC!). Sock puppets were easier to spot when they wore googly eyes.

    TonyStark,
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    @Balkingpoints @JamesBazan @Bam 2 DSA members tried to run against Democratic, yes, Democratic incumbents in 2 wards for council in my county in the elections that were held yesterday. These are two hardworking, popular incumbent Democrats: progressive but not far left enough? Nobody ever got an explanation outside of “establishment Dems!!!!!” They tried to win in our spring primaries and lost.

    Now they both ran as “Independents.” They both lost.

    Balkingpoints,
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    Cancelling Roe damaged GOP electoral prospects in both 2022 and 2023, and POTUS cycle turnout is always higher.

    They walked into it, no let ups.

    Will have to sign on to the BP dumpster fire account now to try to reach Schumer and Jeffries - no repro rights deals on the margins, like inter-state legality, that help GOP's in 2024.

    @TonyStark @Bam

    TonyStark,
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    @Bam @Balkingpoints Jeffries made a very good short speech about it this morning. If I have time, I’ll make a video. I do not go to the dumpster fire place but good luck if you do.

    Bam,
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  • TonyStark,
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    @Balkingpoints @Bam I am extra tired and fed up today. I was happy for about half a day about the election outcomes. Mine were especially good.

    And then I saw someone excusing antisemitic chants as legit resistance and some jagoff pretended not to know how “from the river…” is connected to Jews and then has his own stupid opinion so obviously was gaslighting me.

    Same people who were upset about anyone flashing an “ok” sign, even if accidental, cool with Jew hate.

    Bam,
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    TonyStark,
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    @Bam That’s the deal.

    PamelaBarroway,
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    @TonyStark @Bam Totally. Anyway saying otherwise is a Hamas apologist.

    lolonurse,
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    @Bam @TonyStark
    It's disingenuous & just plain disrespectful for her to pretend it means anything else - she insults us by saying we should believe her "brainwashing". I'd love if she was sincere, & worked hard to make it so, but when she speaks to her audience, there's no doubt what she's saying. I have a LOT to say about that, but I won't.

    CherylBlueWave,

    @TonyStark @Balkingpoints @Bam

    I have zero tolerance for antisemitism. None.

    Congrats for the elections in your state going well.

    TonyStark,
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    @Bam @Balkingpoints But I’ll still try and get to it.

    Snowshadow, (edited )
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    @TonyStark

    "..pretended not to know..."
    Awful. There's no excuse for baiting/trolling/racism/antisemitism etc..
    Dealing with those 'people' is frustrating and exhausting.
    Wishing you a peaceful night.🕊️
    Edited to add:
    Your work is greatly appreciated.

    @Balkingpoints @Bam

    TonyStark,
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    @Snowshadow @Balkingpoints @Bam Same to you, my friend. Rest well and thank you.

    TonyStark,
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    @Snowshadow @Balkingpoints @Bam Too kind Re: edit.

    imbou,
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    @TonyStark @Balkingpoints @Bam unfortunately you have millions of people that don’t comprehend the holocaust and don’t see antisemitism as a problem. Just like slavery and discrimination in America have been a scourge so has antisemitism. No excuse for it, period, end of story.

    TonyStark,
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    @Balkingpoints @imbou @Bam Agreed. The people it’s coming from now are a bit surprising, though. At least to me, a person who’s at heart a real optimist, despite outward appearances.

    imbou,
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    @TonyStark @Balkingpoints @Bam I was appalled by people I know doing so too. But these people unfortunately don’t know or understand this conflict and its history and wars and assassinations done to thwart peace, etc… it’s a difficult subject to which discussion nuance and analysis is needed to understand why both sides are where they are but people drift so easily to slogans. But they will forget about soon enough. Reality is as bad as it is, there is less death there than there used to be!

    lolonurse,
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    @TonyStark @Balkingpoints @Bam
    I hate that the OK hand sign was appropriated by the White Supremacists/Proud Boys some years ago, and apparently now it is also a Nazi wink? How can they ruin these...? ✌🏼🤟🏼🤙🏼🖖🏼

    TonyStark,
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    @Bam @lolonurse @Balkingpoints It’s really fun for people using ASL, which is a lot of people. Nobody wants to get accused of being a Nazi while signing. But yeah, they ruined it.

    We’ll stick with those- last one best. 🖖

    lolonurse,
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    @TonyStark @Bam @Balkingpoints
    We grew up among ASL users and educators (although I've lost almost all of it...I'm old & it was long ago), and it's been interesting & distressing seeing perfectly good signs become appropriated for other purposes. Then again, when I was a hippie chick, rainbows were love and doves were peace... and they were also appropriated. I know, I know... language is fluid... so what sign is now chocolate milk??

    AlliFlowers,
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    @lolonurse My favorite is Y hand that hearing people use for YOLO, but in ASL is yellow. Confusing as hell. @TonyStark @Bam @Balkingpoints

    lolonurse,
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    @AlliFlowers @TonyStark @Bam @Balkingpoints
    I really tried to keep up, and then also not get bypassed by all the new stuff that came along when the kids were young (one's now 52, the other's about to turn 42), and the grandkids... plus keep up with all the advances in medical speak & tech... oh- & video games & animé... I'm surprised I'm actually coherent! I talk dogs, Star Trek, recipes & plants anymore! Verbally.

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    @Bam @AlliFlowers @TonyStark @Balkingpoints
    Thanks, but I was raised by activists, lived most of my life as an activist, and I don't think we've got a retirement plan... I think if you teethed to the HUAC, protested the Vietnam war, demanded passage of the ERA, etc., you can pretend to be satisfied with bucolic pastimes... but the rabble rouser is always close to the surface.

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    lovelylovely,
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    @Bam @TonyStark @WizardBear

    Stop listening too the Trump media Biden is in good shape for 2024. #CNN #NBC #ABC #CBS #MSNBC👎

    Snowshadow,
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    @TonyStark

    It's wins like this that give me hope for democracy in North America.

    TonyStark,
    @TonyStark@progressivecafe.social avatar

    @Snowshadow Same. There is some good news today.

    Snowshadow,
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    @TonyStark
    Yes. And on that note, I will retire for the night with a big smile. I hope you can do the same.
    : )

    TonyStark,
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    @Snowshadow I can and will. Good evening. : )

    gneissrocks,

    @Snowshadow @TonyStark

    But what good does this do for us if the Progressive left keeps pushing antisemitism and calling for pogroms against Jews in this country. I’m having a hard time caring this time around.

    We can be killed by the antisemites on the left or we can be killed by the antisemites on the right. So who cares who won.

    gneissrocks,

    @Snowshadow @TonyStark

    I admit to being very, very angry at the Progressives for their betrayal. If find their “colonizers” rhetoric to be racist and bigoted and I don’t want to partner with them as they aren’t trustworthy.

    I know that abortion rights are important as are many of the other things I became a Progressive for in the first place.

    But when they are threatening to kill you, abortion rights don’t seem so important any longer.

    TonyStark,
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    @Snowshadow @gneissrocks For the sake of people who can become pregnant and rightly desire to have their healthcare decisions removed from being a political tool, it’s very important. I will stand up for personal bodily autonomy no matter what. I don’t think the pro-choice crowd as a whole wants to kill me.

    There’s a far left faction that has decided to identify themselves as progressives. They do not represent me. Their attitudes are not progressive nor honest.

    Snowshadow, (edited )
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    @TonyStark @gneissrocks

    :"...far left faction....."
    Well said, Tony

    Edit to add:

    The Left has proven it will listen to the public and make "course corrections", but the Right will not and only 'doubles down' on its agenda.

    TonyStark,
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    @gneissrocks @Snowshadow I agree. That’s an essential point.

    gneissrocks,

    @TonyStark @Snowshadow

    True. Which is why I’m still voting D.

    As someone who had one miscarriage that took me to the ER and and second “missed”miscarriage that almost went septic and had to have a D&C I do worry about abortion as healthcare. Even in my blue state and even though there was no “heartbeat” they made me wait a week or more to do the D&C even as I was calling and telling them how sick I felt.

    So, yes abortion rights matter tremendously.

    TonyStark,
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    @Snowshadow @gneissrocks I’m terribly sorry that happened to you. Nobody should have to go through anything like that.

    barney,
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    @TonyStark

    Dems are the ones who protect abortion rights, but Dem candidates greatly underperform standalone abortion rights referenda like Ohio's Issue 1.

    This could be explained by voters' ranking other issues as more important to them than abortion. But I think it's mostly because voters haven't figured out that their futures are determined by the candidates they vote for. I hope they figure that out.

    joeinwynnewood,
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    @barney @TonyStark

    It's mostly explained by decades of dog-whistle politics and regressive-right media echo chamber trashing the Democratic brand.

    We are clawing back some of that with our strong defense of our #Freedoms, especially #TheFreedomToDecide.

    CherylBlueWave,

    @TonyStark

    It's an issue that could help us elect more Democrats.

    There are Republican women who know that in GOP states an ectopic pregnancy is often a death sentence.

    xs4me2,
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    @TonyStark

    Makes you wonder who funds and influences these media…

    BillMcGuire,

    @TonyStark

    all in all a very good night for Americans & Dems. carry on, my friend.

    Teop_Versant,
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    @TonyStark The victory, if true - would be for democracy. This is why you are American.

    DebR,
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    @TonyStark Absolutely 💯!!!

    Npars01,
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    @TonyStark

    Mississippi AG Lynn Fitch was bribed by Republican billionaires to bring the case that overturned Roe vs Wade - ending the civil rights of 167 million American women.

    The only thing the GOP does is donor maintenance - and the donors want felony disenfranchisement schemes.
    https://justfacts.votesmart.org/candidate/campaign-finance/128803/lynn-fitch
    https://www.mississippifreepress.org/35508/fitchs-anti-abortion-politics-failing-mississippians-dem-ag-candidate-says
    https://www.mvariety.com/news/national/mississippi-cannot-strip-convicts-of-right-to-vote-court-rules/article_a0533c50-331b-11ee-8d3f-d7f4968f061a.html

    Npars01,
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    @TonyStark

    Fitch was re-elected. Mississippi will regret this choice soon.

    https://www.wjtv.com/news/election/attorney-general-lynn-fitch-re-elected/amp/

    TonyStark,
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    @Npars01 Ugh.

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