aral,
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The mental gymnastics skills of folks attempting to justify Mozilla paying their CEO $7 million while asking for donations.

#mozilla

rubinjoni,
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@aral The one doing the spit is explaining the "mozilla foundation / mozilla corporation" duality

rubinjoni,
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@aral Called it...

Jeramee,
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@aral
"If we don't pay the CEO this much, they'll just go work in the private sector."

This is true yet we can still be irritated by this. But, railing against Mozilla doesn't fix the problem. The problem is capitulating to authoritarian thinking, which capitalism propagandizes is into doing.

The necessity of ungodly CEO pay is a scam. Condemning the public sector only further divides us. Save your wrath for the true enemies. Fight capitalism.

aral,
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@Jeramee Mozilla is the public sector? Odd, their head of public policy had told me they were “just another Silicon Valley tech company” when asking me why I held them to such a higher standard. Guess she must’ve been confused at the time.

(Good thing then that we have Google to fund the public sector with half a billion dollars a year.)

Jeramee,
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@aral
Nonprofits are part of the public sector. Mozilla foundation is a nonprofit. Mozilla corporation, which is for-profit, controls Firefox.

That may sound strange, but it's to work around tax laws. If Firefox had a really good year, they must use or give away nearly all the money they've accrued if it's a nonprofit. As a for-profit, they can establish cash reserves.

I don't agree with staggering CEO pay. I merely say that we should fight the corruption's source and not a mere effect

aral,
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@Jeramee Well I’m no fan of capitalism either. But I have a special dislike for hypocrisy.

Ostfriesin,
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@aral

Unfortunately no one seems to have mentioned it before - I do not think it is appropriate nowadays to display the crotch of a young woman (in the front of the pic) in that way. Pictures like this should not be taken anymore - explicit wish of the sportspersons. Probably you did not take this pic, but (just) distributing is not much better. No offense 🙋

aral,
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@Ostfriesin “It’s not a girl’s responsibility how a man looks at her or how he acts, especially when you’re doing your sport and that’s your uniform” – Olivia Dunne, gymnast

Perhaps the problem isn’t a video of women performing a complicated athletic routine but men objectifying those women, taking the focus away from their skills and abilities and placing it on their appearance instead while perpetuating sexist puritanical stereotypes. So maybe we should stop doing that.

Christo,

@aral
Isn't there a US company where every employee including the boss gets paid the same?

aral,
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@Christo There are some, yes.

rapha3l,

@aral @ErikUden

@mozilla is that number true?

aral,
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@rapha3l @ErikUden @mozilla Naw mate, just pulled it out my ass for shits and giggles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker

borisschapira,
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@aral not the same Mozilla, is it (corp. vs foundation)?

aral,
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borisschapira,
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@aral well it makes a difference, it's like being shocked that General Motors does not have the maintenance of roads on its roadmap.

aral,
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@borisschapira General Motors or General Motors Foundation?

oblomov,
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@aral honestly, that's pretty insulting to the gymnasts in the video.

kancept,
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@aral Mozilla Corporation (the sorta advertising company) != Mozilla Foundation (the ones asking/needing the donations)

aral,
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@kancept Such litheness and poise.

Z_Zed_Zed,

@aral She makes 3.5% of the Google CEO. Opera’s CEO is worth a couple of billion dollars. I could go on (and on and on and on…). It doesn’t take much more than five minutes on the search engine of your choice to realize that she is significantly underpaid compared to people in similar positions.

MichaelBishop,
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@Z_Zed_Zed @aral

No. She is overpaid and the others are extremely overpaid.

aral,
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@Z_Zed_Zed Such stamina and control. It’s basically an art form. 👏 👏 👏

cohomologyisFUN,
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@Z_Zed_Zed @aral Google and Opera aren’t asking for donations.

Wikimedia’s executive director is paid only 800k, for example: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_2021_Form_990.pdf

prefec2,
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@Z_Zed_Zed @aral if you compare her salary to for profit US companies, yes. However, their salaries are also distorted. For a non profit organisation her income should not be much above that of people developing at Mozilla. Let's say she can have $300k. This places her still in the upper regions of income nation wide. The German Chancellor gets €360k a year. The French President gets €140k. Even the US president gets only $400k.

Z_Zed_Zed,

@prefec2 @aral “For a non profit organisation her income should not be much above that of people developing at Mozilla.”

So non-profit workers’ salaries shouldn’t be competitive with for-profits?
This is a flawed premise in my opinion.

prefec2,
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@Z_Zed_Zed @aral Usually they do not. You can get higher pay in larger companies. However, they should be able to afford to life where they work. However, a salary beyond $300k is not necessary for an acceptable living standard. As I pointed out, presidents and chancellors range in the same income group.

prefec2,
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@Z_Zed_Zed @aral The people who finance the org do this to support a common good. This is quite the opposite for a org that is run basically to foster the greed of the financiers. For the latter, the CEO is one of the rich guys and he/she follows the same aim, but for a non-profit org personal gains in that magnitude are way outside what the donators want to see. 2/2

simounet,

@aral This is ridiculous and really wrong. All "marketing" messages from Mozilla are wrong for years. What a shame… I love the browser (and Thunderbird 🥰) but everything else is just bs.

autiomaa,
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@simounet @aral As people from Mozilla have said (at events), it's just a company with a bit more complex ownership structure. Business focused on producing profits.

danjac,
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@autiomaa @simounet @aral well ok then, they don't need our donations.

aral,
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simounet,

@aral Still relevant today but I can't let down on Firefox. 😔@autiomaa

autiomaa,
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@simounet Firefox gets funded increasingly from the commercial SaaS integrations, and product placements on the search tools. Previously it was Google paying for the search visibility via browser UI, but those days are mostly gone.

@aral

aral,
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@autiomaa @simounet Last I checked, Mozilla only existed thanks to half a billion dollars from Google every year. Are you saying that has changed? Would appreciate a source if so.

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