@rolandwasheeeere That cheeky WSJ headline was non-serious clickbait. The article did not actually suggest ppl skip breakfast. It mentioned #egg prices jumped 8.5%. I’m not bothered when non-vegan food prices jump. That’s a good thing if it helps steer people away from animal exploitation.
@koherecoWatchdog@rolandwasheeeere Just a shame it's behind a paywall so we can't see that for ourselves. If all we have to go on is the title, what are we to assume?
@petealexharris@rolandwasheeeere@Stubbs I got a 404, so I think WSJ took down the article. Normally 12ft.io would be the 1st port of call. But we are now left w/archive.org, and WSJ only gives archive.org the 1st paragraph.
@Stubbs@rolandwasheeeere@petealexharris 12ft.io likely still has a copy of the google cache. Though that should be viewable in a text browser. Isn’t it javascript that causes the fading? Hmm.. I know in some cases the text actually stops at the last faded line, in which case the publisher is happy to only show crawlers the 1st paragraph for indexation.
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To be maximally kind to the writer, they don't generally have any say on the headline or subhead of the article, but I hope at least they are allowed to say to the editor "hey, putting this directly above my name makes me look like a full on piece of shit", and I hope that's what happened.
A lot of people can't afford to eat vegan. Some can't beacuse of their health or simply beacuse it takes time, energy or anything else. Also, all factory farming is exploitation, including the farming of vegetables and the like. If not animal, then human exploitation. Without sytematic change veganism solves nothing, we can't vegan ourselves out of climate change and capitalism. Not to mention all prices are soaring and people can't afford to eat so get the fuck off of your high horse.
@TransitBiker@rolandwasheeeere Veganism accommodates every dietary envelope by being defined as a /best effort/ lifestyle. If you really need eggs then you /can/ eat them w/in the constraints of a vegan lifestyle.
@rolandwasheeeere The fact that you think farmed animals do not contribute to #climateChange is easily addressed b/c it’s not a differing opinion but ignorance of the facts. Easily corrected; just do some basic research. Once you have that sorted out & also realize veganism is about harm minimization not elimination, only then might you begin to realize vegans are actually on the moral high ground.
@koherecoWatchdog@rolandwasheeeere The problem is though that the reason for the egg prices jumping so high is because of mass hen deaths due to a brutal strain of Avian flu. So as a vegan I can't really cheer on a jump in egg prices and the little bit of discouragement from egg consumption it has caused.
I think it would be better had we any hope of actually learning from this Avian flu strain and how our exploitation of chickens created it.
With all that being said, while I get that it might be arguable that the WSJ is not actually saying "Don't Skip Breakfast", it probably should be acknowledged that they are, on their face, pushing a message of consumer blame and diverting the grotesque issue with artificial food scarcity that we have but shouldn't have, and ignoring food politics.
@Okanogen Not sure how that’s a scenario. How is a poor non-vegan suffering more than a poor vegan? Non-vegans have a superset of options to vegans. If that superset shrinks, they still have at least all the same options vegans have b/c non-vegans do not exclude vegan food.
@QuinB@rolandwasheeeere I don’t believe you would (or could) have that scenario. A conservationist action could easily prevent that if that reality were to emerge. But note that GHG emissions from animals as products contributes to #climateChange which is responsible for countless species dying off. If man stopped exploiting animals, I suspect many more species would naturally coexist than the status quo
@koherecoWatchdog@rolandwasheeeere I think it's very unlikely for a good while; I just wondered if there was a suggested plan of action.
I was thinking it was immoral to let a breed we'd created die out but we seem to have done that before, when there was no gain for us attached. Then I wondered if controlling populations of animals was acceptable, given that we also need to control pests if we're to prevent our own losses.
These things are troubling.
@QuinB@rolandwasheeeere We do try to ID & protect species by maintaining an endangered list. We then take some protective actions. But yes it’s insufficient. We only bend over backwards when an industry is threatened. E.g. when bats in Mexico were threatened b/c ppl set bat caves on fire (due to unreasonable paranoia) the tequila industry was threatened (bats← polinators). So serious action was taken.
We've let breeds of cattle and sheep, pigs and dogs go extinct when ones that suited us better came along. If it were today, the extinction would be reported on the news and most people would shrug; I just hope that such things will change, but I don't see it even starting to change in my lifetime.
@QuinB@rolandwasheeeere If a line were to be drawn saying “we protect wild species not man-made species” it’s almost hair-splitting but in any case I would call it good enough. I’m not sure if breeding leads to sufficient variation to call something a new specy, however.
@koherecoWatchdog@rolandwasheeeere ah!
So we could keep 'some sheep' but not all breeds? I wonder if we should only keep the breeds that could survive without us?
Our actions have driven the evolution of new species, domesticated or not: we're very good at creating niches – one way or the other.
@TransitBiker@rolandwasheeeere To be clear, I am not vegan. I made my comment as a meat eater. But I recognize the social problems w/animal products (environment & animal welfare). I’ve cut back on non-vegan food a lot & continue to progress in that direction. It’s the morally right direction. W.r.t not all can be vegan, that’s not true b/c veganism is about doing /all that you can/ among the choices.
@rolandwasheeeere@TransitBiker So e.g. if you are hypothetically stranded on an island w/only birds & fish, no edible plantlife, you can eat fish and birds and you’re still vegan b/c you’ve done all you can to /minimize/ animal exploitation.
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