adamjcook, (edited ) to ai

I will say it again...

I do not recall an open letter with thousands of prominent signatories, a hastily-assembled White House Task Force and a big Senate hearing for automated driving systems.

You know... systems that are masquerading as that have killed people and have the capacity to readily cause immediate injury and death.

We have an unregulated Wild West out there on that.

No, no.

Let's sound the alarm over a goddamned chatbot.

adamjcook,

@Craktok There are effectively no #automotive regulations in the US.

There is no competent regulator to enforce them.

Any automated driving system regulations that exist, exist as a patchwork at the US state level.

Those regulations are extremely weak and do not even attempt to regulate partial automated driving systems (i.e. #Tesla #Autopilot, #GM SuperCruise, #Ford Blue Cruise and so on).

adamjcook, (edited ) to random

First, the ... perhaps now the Files?

, a prominent business publication, has obtained a considerable amount of internal Tesla files that may point to and vehicle concerns that were possibly hidden by Tesla.

Apparently, Handelsblatt is releasing reports on these files in stages.

I will be watching this space... probably to add comments after more is publicly released.

https://jalopnik.com/whistleblower-drops-100-gigabytes-of-tesla-secrets-to-g-1850476542

adamjcook,

A "culture of secrecy" with the traits cited are a ubiquitous sign, in the #SafetyCritical systems space, that a firm is engaged in willful wrongdoings.

A canary in the coal mine, if you will.

#SystemsSafety experts and myself have spent years on Twitter, Reddit and, now, the Fediverse attempting to detail #Tesla's observable wrongdoings.

Those are ultimately opinions though.

If Tesla was hiding actual defects and/or lying to safety regulators - various criminal charges are in play.

w7voa, to internet
@w7voa@journa.host avatar

Elon Musk, on CNBC, says he'll continue to be in charge of "product stuff" after new #Twitter CEO comes on board, explaining she was recruited because of her experience with advertising.

w7voa,
@w7voa@journa.host avatar

He'll have a launch event for his own #AI, adds Musk, explaining he doesn't want to talk muchabout the #Tesla project right now but predicing it'll result in a "ChatGPT moment" with self-driving.

CrackedWindscreen, to random
@CrackedWindscreen@mastodon.online avatar

Interesting how some automotive outlets are reporting the Tesla leak as either a "huge date leak" OR "data shows big problems with Autopilot and FSD", but not both.

adamjcook,

@CrackedWindscreen Honestly, I am not sure that I have ever seen any reporting (in a major publication) that really digs down deep into the core issue here - flimsy and non-existent safety processes at #Tesla.

Some competent #SystemsSafety experts tapped by some publications are given space to make nods to it, but really not enough space.

I mean… the lack of a process at Tesla is clear… that definitively means that Tesla is doing nothing to understand their own system.

adamjcook, to random

An interesting article here by @mimsical and I would recommend reading it.

I think it is a reasonable take on how, essentially, the regulatory landscape will look in the US and perhaps elsewhere.

That said, I have some notes.

Not so much on the article itself... but on my favorite punching bag, the .

For those that do not know, the NHTSA is the unserious, disinterested and effectively theoretical regulator in the US for vehicle and roadway safety. 🧵

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-will-we-know-when-self-driving-cars-are-safe-when-they-can-handle-the-worlds-worst-drivers-fd35b907

adamjcook,

@mimsical #Tesla, most famously in my mind, is ignorant of that... claiming (without a safety case) that "better" architected and trained ANNs combined with a massive simulation environment is equivalent to physical, controlled and exhaustive validation.

Tesla makes these absurd claims because they must.

Tesla has no alternative but to do so in order to "productize" a system (#FSDBeta) that has no validation process backing it.

But, anyways, moving on...

unusual_whales, to random
@unusual_whales@masto.ai avatar

Elon Musk has said that Teslas, $TSLA, are more affordable than people realize, per CNBC.

#news #finance #economics #stocks #options

video/mp4

LeeFromVT,
@LeeFromVT@masto.ai avatar

@unusual_whales

I though #Tesla told him to "Be Quite.".

His "advice" don't mean as much since he has opening his mouth more....

kentindell, to random
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  • adamjcook,

    @kentindell The real question, in my view, is if this individual even recognizes that this vehicle behavior was safety-deficient.

    What we are dealing with here is "stage 2" of 's years-long, unchecked marketing campaign of exaggerating the capabilities of their automated driving systems - that is, human drivers are now just "making up their own rules" in order to advocate for Tesla (the company) and for .

    Meanwhile, the is still hopelessly stuck on "stage 1".

    CrackedWindscreen, to random
    @CrackedWindscreen@mastodon.online avatar

    This is me totally un-shocked at this news.

    All the other OEMs should be worried too, their ADAS systems are utter garbage on the road too (except rear cross traffic warning).

    https://jalopnik.com/whistleblower-drops-100-gigabytes-of-tesla-secrets-to-g-1850476542

    adamjcook,

    @CrackedWindscreen So far, on the surface, the content looks pretty damning.

    I want to see the details though, which I think are forthcoming in several parts.

    I think also, from how it appears, it could be pretty damning to #EuroNCAP as well.

    #Tesla

    laurenshof, to random

    HOW?!? absolutely incredible lmao

    i keep being surprised how incredible stupid the stonk market can be

    adamjcook,

    @laurenshof I have no comment on stocks and strategies, but I know ARK from their laughably absurd takes on automated driving systems - #Tesla's #FSDBeta program in particular.

    No one, besides perhaps Adam Jonas at Morgan Stanley, as been so confidently wrong on automated driving systems.

    My concern is public safety as their extreme incompetence directly translates into human driver complacency.

    adamjcook, to ChatGPT

    Another day, another dangerous video.

    You know, I have been following Tesla's FSD Beta program for a very long time.

    Back around 2015 or so, the mantra was that the FSD Beta was on the cusp of an "AlphaGo" moment.

    But, is old news now.

    is white hot.

    Let's explore why a system capable of partial driving automation (like FSD Beta) and automated driving systems more broadly are decidedly not at all like ChatGPT.

    https://youtu.be/4zcqVc37Jcw

    adamjcook,

    #Tesla's "AI Days" often featured Tesla's internal misunderstanding of this - often making direct comparisons between consumer/business #AI systems without presenting anything close to an accompanying safety case that would incorporate the physical realities of these systems.

    For many in the #MachineLearning community, this went by unnoticed and, at times, ignorantly applauded.

    If one is looking for the primordial "AI Safety" issues we are dealing with today, I would start there.

    adamjcook,

    As a postscript of sorts, I caught this on YouTube last night.

    I expect the YouTube channel to delete it given the negligence displayed.

    Does this strike anyone as #Tesla maintaining a robust safety process in terms of managing the conduct of its so-called "test drivers"?

    #FSDBeta

    https://youtu.be/uedPA7BtWw8

    adamjcook,

    @lolbat Indeed.

    And had this vehicle collided into anything or otherwise caused a dangerous roadway incident, this video would likely not have been published.

    YouTube videos like this are a major cause of dangerous complacency in human drivers operating these #Tesla vehicles.

    adamjcook,

    @rysiek I saw that segment.

    Wozniak is very much on point.

    These vehicles are uniquely dangerous across all other makes and models (for the moment) given the possible presence of this system.

    #FSDBeta has no underlying systems safety foundation.

    And I say "for the moment" because, so far, #Tesla is being rewarded handsomely by the combination of a complete lack of auto regulations in the US and their own wrongdoings.

    The free market dictates that other automakers are soon to follow.

    adamjcook,

    @peterlie2 That is effectively what is happening right now, as we speak, at #Tesla.

    Unsurprisingly, Andrej #Karpathy often stated that the software architecture of Tesla's #FSDBeta system was heavily influenced by his work with Transformers and GPTs.

    Naturally, Tesla's (and Karpathy's) idea of "validation" is one in which "better" architected and "better" trained ANNs are all that are needed... which is absolutely absurd as, again, this is a physical, #SafetyCritical system.

    adamjcook,

    @lolbat What it really is… basically… is #Tesla, in this case, wantonly deceiving the public with doublethink.

    It is a vehicle that “drives itself”, unless of course something bad happens, then it is the human driver who was driving it.

    No #Tesla vehicle is capable of “driving itself” at any time and under any conditions, but the “full self-driving” lie sure is profitable.

    adamjcook,

    @rynltylr Tesla?

    #Tesla cannot care because Tesla has committed themselves to fully "productize" an unvalidated safety-critical system and provide such a system to its customers at a high cost.

    A safety-critical system cannot be safely "tested" by untrained consumers.

    We do not even allow otherwise highly-trained, but "normal" commercial aircraft pilots operate pre-certified aircraft over unpopulated areas.

    There are specially trained pilots for that.

    adamjcook,

    The fact is, again, that #Tesla has never maintained a Safety Management System (which would robustly govern the conduct of any human participants) nor a systems safety lifecycle in their #FSDBeta program.

    After all, that would be quite expensive.

    And, as such, these so-called "test drivers" are not only hung out to dry by Tesla, but also left out there to construct these absurd, dangerous concoctions and justifications out of whole cloth - all with the public's safety fully exposed.

    kevinctofel, to random
    @kevinctofel@hachyderm.io avatar

    Not a fan of the company’s founder but… today is our 1 year #Tesla-versary. My wife and I are work from home empty nesters now, so we downsized from 2 cars (2019 RAV4 & 2018 Leaf) to one last year. I have my #motorcycle available if I can’t use the car, which is rare.

    Overall, our expectations were exceeded. It cost us around $269 in electricity to drive 6,956 miles in 12 months. Zero maintenance costs. Zero complaints.

    A blue 2022 Tesla Model 3
    6,956 miles on our Tesla Model 3 Long Range car in exactly one year of ownership.

    TryshHQ, to ai

    What @gruber is missing here:

    "Proposed Name for GM’s Upcoming In-House Software Platform : Edsel” https://daringfireball.net/2023/05/gm_edsel

    and @siracusa + @atpfm posse (@caseylisscom & @marcoarment) missed in their recent podcast unpacking GM’s rejection of is:

    – human & vehicle

    GM is aping :
    “The Radical Scope of Tesla’s Data Hoard - IEEE Spectrum” https://spectrum.ieee.org/tesla-autopilot-data-scope

    1. pure

    2. harvested data as fuel source for GM ’s

    Gustodon, to random
    @Gustodon@mas.to avatar

    If you like the Cybertruck, I wonder if you like it enough to buy a new #Tesla product in 2024, especially one so closely-linked to Elon's frantic quest to be cool.

    elgg, to random
    itnewsbot, to random

    Ford EVs will get access to Tesla’s Supercharger network in 2024 - Enlarge / This may become an increasingly common sight from next year. ... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1942438 #f-150lightning -e #e-transit

    yeti, to ai
    @yeti@emacs.ch avatar
    oatmeal,
    @oatmeal@emacs.ch avatar

    @yeti in a strange kind of way, this insecurity he shares with #trump exposes him as a fraud… maybe wanting to believe his luck in business having nothing to do with government subsidies he received for #Tesla and #SpaceX? https://futurism.com/the-byte/spacex-tesla-government-money-npr

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