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It kinda says freedom nuggθts.

Nugg6ts? It’s hard to make it out. It could almost be an e.

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Oh look everyone it’s part of the problem.

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I’m not saying it’s not those people, they’re definitely a large part of it.

But conservatives are definitely on Lemmy. Just try talking about minority rights anywhere and watch them seep out of the cracks in the pavement to suck all of your energy out.

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I think anyone defending the American ruling class and the Palestinian genocide is conservative, whether they like conservatism lite or full on fascist conservatism, it’s still conservatism.

But the full on fascist conservatives are definitely here too, they just know to cloak their attitudes in hidden language. Any attempt to point out racism, misogyny, homophobia or any of those things that’s been casually accepted will get a certain small group of people really pissed about it. I’ve definitely encountered some men’s rights activists.

It’d be foolish not to expect it. They explicitly do entryism on “normie” forums all the time. It’s a stated strategy of theirs.

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I’m glad to hear Labor and the Greens support the ICC, and to hear that "it is in Australia’s national interest for international law to be upheld.”

Because you know, based on recent events I would’ve assumed the opposite. Someone should tell David McBride.

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I’m pretty sure the pan has a finite volume, unless it has some sort of space-folding technology.

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Okay so this doesn’t matter and I don’t want to argue, so I’ll just honestly ask - what do you mean? I am genuinely confused.

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baking pan has an upper limit to how much brownie you can bake per cycle in it

Okay, and I just want to check - do you think that this limit - which I assume would be measured in volume - might be what the person was referring to by the “volume” of the pan? Or do you think they meant something else? If so, what?

your reply seemed snide

That’s probably because it was.

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It’s like L-space from the Unseen University Library, but it’s B-space. It contains every conceivable recipe of brownies.

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True but I think they’re saying that in their typical use-case, one versus two batches doesn’t practically matter. Now, that might be true, but that doesn’t change the fact that every container has a maximum usable volume which would be limited per-batch, and that’s what the comment they replied to was talking about.

It’s just really strange and I know it doesn’t matter but also this way of thinking is fascinating to me.

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I’ve been informed that we should tolerate Joe Biden’s creeping fascism over Donald Trump’s ultra-fascism, and that any attempt to criticise the entire system for giving us only an option between fascism lite and full-fat fascism is both-sidesing and will definitely usher in the ultra-fascism.

Any attempt to explain that I advocate strategically voting for fascism-lite whilst working to free ourselves from this dystopian fucking nightmare appears to mean that I secretly want ultra-fascism which doesn’t make sense to me but they’re very confident about it.

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Well, if crypto bros are to be believed then this isn’t fiat currency. If it’s not fiat, then it shouldn’t be enforced by state violence, meaning the courts, right? Possession is ownership when there is no remedy, so the concept of theft is meaningless. Any attempt to fix this would violate the supremacy of the blockchain.

I mean they actually noticed this was a problem and reinvented the concept of banks to entrust them with their crypto. You know, the kind of trust that crypto was supposed to make obsolete, but then the crypto bros realised how much it sucks to suck and decided they needed a bit of nannying after all.

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Capitalists don’t like libraries because it means open access to resources which reduces the market size.

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Not really, it was started before the Holocaust, and it involved actual Nazis. See, antisemites are often quite happy with Zionism because they like the idea of an ethnostate that they can ship all the Jews off to. That’s why pre-WWII German Zionists were able to negotiate the Haavara Agreement, which allowed them to transfer their property to Palestine, and allowed 60,000 Jews to migrate there before WWII.

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That would explain the horses. You got me interested enough to look into it, and the origin isn’t clear. The cannon is one of the theories, it may also have been a riddle to which the answer was that Humpty was an egg.

I like the idea that it’s a riddle containing a message that all the king’s horses and men can’t even put an egg back together. That no matter how much power and influence you have some things cannot be done; we are all mortal.

That message may have been dangerous to say out loud, but less so if you cloak it in rhyme and riddle.

CEO of Google Says It Has No Solution for Its AI Providing Wildly Incorrect Information (futurism.com)

You know how Google’s new feature called AI Overviews is prone to spitting out wildly incorrect answers to search queries? In one instance, AI Overviews told a user to use glue on pizza to make sure the cheese won’t slide off (pssst…please don’t do this.)...

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You need to be specific and say what the contradiction is, I don’t see it.

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You could call it Hyperpedia! A disruptive new innovation brought to us via AI that’s definitely not just three encyclopedias in a trenchcoat.

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Prompt injection has shown us that basically any attempt to limit the output like this is doomed to fail. Like anti-piracy ones, where if you ask directly for the info it says no, but if you ask for the info under the guise of avoiding it, it gives up everything.

Or for instance with the twitter bot, you could get it to regurgitate its own horrifically hateful prompt, then give it a replacement prompt and tell it to change its whole personality, then tell it to critique its previous prompt. There is currently no way to create a prompt that has supremacy over the user input. You can’t ask it to keep a secret because it doesn’t know what a secret is.

I think because we’re getting access to hallucinations, it’s a bit like telling a person “don’t think about an elephant”. Well, they just did, because you prompted them to with the instruction. LLMs similarly can’t actually control what they output.

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Yes, my point wasn’t that it could never be achieved but that LLMs are in a completely different category, which we agree on I think. I was comparing them to humans who have trouble with critical thinking but can easily spot AI’s hallucinations to illustrate the vast gulf.

In both cases I think there are almost certainly more barriers in the way than an education. The quest for a truthful AI will be as contentious as the quest for truth in humans, meaning all the same claim-counterclaim culture-war propaganda tug of war will happen, which I think is the main reason for people being miseducated against critical thinking. In a vacuum it might be a simple technical and educational challenge, but the reason this is a problem in the first place is that we don’t exist in a political vacuum.

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The problem with these hallucinated answers that makes them such a sensational story is that they are obviously wrong to virtually anyone. Your uncle on facebook who thinks the earth is flat immediately knows not to put glue on pizza. It’s obvious. The same way It’s obvious when hands are wrong in an image or someone’s hair is also the background foliage. We know why that’s wrong; the machine can’t know anything.

Similarly, as “bad” as human drivers are we don’t get flummoxed because you put a traffic cone on the hood, and we don’t just drive into tue sides of trucks because they have sky blue liveries. We don’t just plow through pedestrians because we decided the person that is clearly standing there just didn’t matter. Or at least, that’s a distinct aberration.

Driving is a constant stream of judgement calls, and humans can make those calls because they understand that a human is more important than a traffic cone. An autonomous system cannot understand that distinction. This kind of problem crops up all the time, and it’s why there is currently no such thing as an unsupervised autonomous vehicle system. Even Waymo is just doing a trick with remote supervision.

Despite the promises of “lower rates of crashes”, we haven’t actually seen that happen, and there’s no indication that they’re really getting better.

Sorry but if your takeaway from the idea that even humans aren’t great at this task is that AI is getting close then I think you need to re-read some of the batshit insane things it’s saying. It is on an entirely different level of wrong.

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Race is not scientific, so you don’t get to racism through study and learning, you get there by believing bullshit propaganda, like for instance that some races are inherently more intelligent than others, like you apparently believe. EDIT: If you don’t believe it and are just using it as an example of racist beliefs that’s unclear, but it’s not that relevant to my point.

And you’ve totally dropped the subject of the horseshoe. Sounds like you’ve noticed that walking back what it stands for makes no sense in light of how it was used in this thread.

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The Bell Curve was rightly ridiculed as a “scabarous piece of racial pornography” and there is no credible thread of thought that upholds it. Anyone interested in “principles” would be able to see that.

And oh my god someone on twitter was not convinced by their interlocutor? Clearly they have reasonable and internally consistent beliefs.

If you actually can’t tell apart the arguments of racists and the arguments of anti racists then you’re not paying attention to the content of those arguments, only their aesthetics.

It was obvious you had nothing to contribute to the horseshoe discussion ages ago when you boiled the entire political landscape down to tankies, nazis and “based centrists”. The fact you keep suggesting that pseudo-scientific racist beliefs like those from The Bell Curve are actually consistent with themselves is evidence that you lack even the most basic political education. In other words, you are a typical centrist.

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I am repeating the scientific consensus that race is not a scientific concept. It is a political concept.

Here is the wikipedia article on scientific racism:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

The introductory references on the topic, which you can find at the bottom of the page, have these titles:

“A brave old world: an analysis of scientific racism and BiDil”

“Human races are not like dog breeds: refuting a racist analogy”.

“How Scientific Taxonomy Constructed the Myth of Race”

It’s all there in black & white, very simple to understand. This isn’t some controversial topic. It has experts in consensus on one side and politically motivated propaganda on the other. It has been this way for a very long time. It is a settled question. If you don’t understand that it’s because you don’t care to read and learn. At this point if you choose to continue in your ignorance it is entirely on you.

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