heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

Thank you . It was great the last.... 15 years or so.

But it looks like we have to part ways here... 🤷

SirBoostALot,
@SirBoostALot@hear-me.social avatar

@heiglandreas Serious question: What do you intend to use as a replacement? I would love to find something else that has the look, feel, and features of but that is cross-platform.

My prediction is that some people (the AI haters, of which there seem to be a quite a few on the Fediverse) are going to have a hissy fit about this, go try some other terminal program, and realize that nothing else comes close to in features and functionality. And then they will quietly go back to using it (even if that means restoring a previous version from their Time Machine backup).

My understanding is that the doesn't work unless you enter an key, so I don't see the problem. The feature is there for people who want it (and I guarantee you a lot of people do, even despite the fact that AI still hallucinates code that simply won't work) and unless I am missing something, those that don't want it only need to refrain from adding a key. By default it is not enabled, or am I totally missing something here?

For those that really are determined to find a replacement, and who consider tabs and profiles to be important features, I will suggest - it is the closest I have found to a useable terminal program (for me, maybe not for someone else), but it's still no iTerm.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@SirBoostALot Most of the time I anyhow use the terminal built into my IDE.

But when I use a separate one, I now have the options of Terminal and wezTerm. Perhaps I might use others as well at one point.

artwaw,
@artwaw@c.im avatar

@heiglandreas Am I missing something? It is but an option and one has to put API key anyway in order to use it?
So for me it is just unused option somewhere deep in the settings.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@artwaw Yes. To gain from the AI.

Are you sure that is also required to send training data?

Someone invested too much thought into something I do not want. Therefore I stop to use it and look for something else 🤷

But YMMV

artwaw,
@artwaw@c.im avatar

@heiglandreas my approach is to rather check carefully monitoring the traffic from the program while I use it instead of downright panicking and reaching for pitchforks and torches at the first glimpse of the word “ai”. But that’s just me.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@artwaw did anyone reach for pitchforks and torches? Didn't see that so far.

But I might have a different idea of what "pitchforks and torches" are....

outofcontrol,
@outofcontrol@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas No no no…. Tell me it ain’t so. 🤨 Link: https://iterm2.com/downloads/stable/iTerm2-3_5_0.changelog

This isn’t being forced on us, it appears to be optional, which is not a bad thing, in my opinion. Especially if it gets iTerm more market share, and us ai luddites can go on our way as usual.

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@outofcontrol Effort and time went into it. Which is not somethimg that I want to support.

outofcontrol,
@outofcontrol@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas Your statement suggests you are supporting iTerm through donations. Would it make more sense to inform them no more donations as long as they keep up this silliness? For myself at least, changing to a new terminal is a bit of a struggle, so hurting myself to spite the developer seems a bit unproductive.

kboyd,
@kboyd@phpc.social avatar

@outofcontrol @heiglandreas From a certain point of view, it might be considered protecting yourself, not hurting yourself.

outofcontrol,
@outofcontrol@phpc.social avatar

@kboyd @heiglandreas In this case, yes, as AI has no place in any Terminal. Though I’d prefer to hear from my customer than have them vanish, even if they said “we can’t support you with this new feature.” If I was listening, and enough customers stopped supporting my project, it would be in the projects and projects users best interest to reassess. We could fork iTerm, remove the AI, and offer a version like Codium or Insomnium, without tracking and without AI?

radmen,
@radmen@101010.pl avatar

@outofcontrol we are not owners of projects we donate to. This sounds more like a threat, and will probably be ignored. :)

@heiglandreas

outofcontrol, (edited )
@outofcontrol@phpc.social avatar

@radmen @heiglandreas Sorry, not meant as a threat at all. If we don’t agree with how a project is progressing, we can stop supporting it. I’ll bow out of this conversation now. Apologies again.

grmpyprogrammer,
@grmpyprogrammer@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas What happend? I updated it yesterday and just clicked through on stuff…

heiglandreas,
@heiglandreas@phpc.social avatar

@grmpyprogrammer From the release notes of the 3.5 release:

  • Using OpenAI's ChatGPT API, iTerm2 can now write commands for you, interpret the output of commands, and guide you towards a goal. See the AI section below for details.
grmpyprogrammer,
@grmpyprogrammer@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas Ugh. Well, it’s been nice but I agree that it’s time to move on

mwop,
@mwop@phpc.social avatar

@grmpyprogrammer @heiglandreas You might want to check out #wezTerm by our friend @wez - cross platform, configurable (using lua for config), and Wez is highly unlikely to ever integrate AI features. 😁

grmpyprogrammer,
@grmpyprogrammer@phpc.social avatar

@mwop @heiglandreas @wez I had tried wezTerm a while back and also Kitty and Alacritty. Time to pick one I guess

kboyd,
@kboyd@phpc.social avatar

@heiglandreas they ought to have forked it into "aiTerm". But nooo, they had to pollute the whole thing.

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