KaraLG84,
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I've never used signal or Telegram. the accessibility of both is appalling.

zersiax,
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@KaraLG84 Actually Signal's pretty good. Telegram's fine on anything that isn't iPhones, albeit with third-party apps at times :)

menelion,
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@zersiax @KaraLG84 I remember Trying Signal on desktop, didn't like it, maybe something changed.

zersiax,
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@menelion @KaraLG84 it was worse couple years back. I tried it again last year and at least the core chatting experience worked ...fine. Maybe it got worse again though, I dunno. I always get a little itchy when people equate accessible with easy-to-use, though. Like ... some people would call MS Teams inacssible. It isn't, for the most part. It's inconvenient as all hell, feels like swimming through quicksand, but the accessibility's fine-ish. Its just bad for everyone :)

menelion,
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@zersiax @KaraLG84 Oh yeah, I give MS Teams as an example of what is nearly 100% accessible but totally unusable.

zersiax,
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@menelion @KaraLG84 I wouldn't really go that far either, though, at least with NVDA. If you learn the hotkeys, its ...doable-ish, apart from the odd tab order inconsistency. I use it for work ... I don't like it, but I can use it well enough. I really only need to use the chat and calendar tabs though, but even when I had to use the Teams stuff it was ...clunky, but doable. I think people have a bit of a trigger-finger on calling something impossible to use, going as far as grabbing another person to do things for them instead of, say, learning how OCR works and enabling themselves. But thats a rant for another day.

menelion,
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@zersiax @KaraLG84 No no, sure sure, it can be used of course. By "unusable" I mean "inconvenient". and also, if you try using their so-called channels and teams, you will feel pain in your whole body. Slack know how to do channels right, Microsoft… unfortunately, not.

svenja,
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@menelion @zersiax @KaraLG84 no, its still not good, I tried to use it last Week.

zersiax,
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@svenja @menelion @KaraLG84 what's "not good" about it? I'm curious

svenja,
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@zersiax @menelion @KaraLG84 I have Notifications enabled but don't get them, the chatlist is not scrollable with Arrowkeys, I have to use tab and if I have unread messages in a Chat NVDA even stays silent when I focus this Chat and if I open a chat it always tells me how long ago the Message was send when I leave focus in it

zersiax,
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@svenja @menelion @KaraLG84 haha that last one I remember, almost like somebody tried to make the chats autoRead when new messages come in, but they did the aria-live wrong. The scrolling issue sounds like quickly hopping into browse mode would fix? Certainly not ideal but that's kinda my point. A lot of stuff is far from ideal. If we like it or not, the days of people writing win32 apps that follow all keyboard conventions are unfortunately mostly gone and it's all kinda meh now. Even Windows 11's own apps aren't great without using things like object navigation and OCR sometimes. That is regrettable, but I think I see a lot of people who yell the loudest about things being inaccessible cling to that kind of UI and outside of the occasional blind community app people just don't use those widgets much anymore. It's all QT, or Electron, or whatever Windows calls their new UI this week now :)

svenja,
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@zersiax @menelion @KaraLG84 hm, not sure if I tried, but will do later. Often if something is not accessible the Way I'd want it I try to make it work with Objectnavigation, in NVDA, I miss something similar in Jaws, I always forget how the TouchCursor works and have to use Jaws at work.

zersiax,
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@svenja @menelion @KaraLG84 lol yeah, I will admit that I need to (re)learn JAWS better. I find that JAWS has everything documented, but it can be a bit of a chore finding the right guidance sometimes

menelion,
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@KaraLG84 For Telegram it is not. As it has an extensive API allowing to write third-party clients, we have at least Unigram (mainstream) and TweeseCake (blind-specific) for Windows. There are also some third-party apps for Android. I use Telegram every day.

talon,
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@KaraLG84 @weirdwriter Wait. Signal? What’s wrong with Signal accessibility? It seems to work fine on iOS?

KaraLG84,
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@talon @weirdwriter Ah the last I heard anything about it it wasn't. glad it's been improved then.

talon,
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@KaraLG84 @weirdwriter A bit confused. I don't think it was ever bad on mobile. The desktop app could be better though. But none of it comes even close to telegrams awful

KaraLG84,
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@talon @weirdwriter It could well be that I've put 2 and 2 together and made 5. It was a while ago.

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