Gargron,
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Fucking Boeing

Gargron,
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The hydraulic system broke, we landed safely and are now being towed but it’s never a pleasant experience when a pilot has to say “don’t panic”.

cesarb,

@Gargron The question would be "which one?", since most planes have something like three hydraulic systems, and all important control surfaces can be moved by more than one of them. The answer is probably hidden in that "now being towed", because it likely means that they lost the one which controls the on-ground steering; someone who knows the details of that plane model can tell by that which hydraulic system broke.

enthraxxx,
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@Gargron Fucking Boeing indeed...

evan,
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@Gargron hoo boy

RememberUsAlways,
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@Gargron

Luckily, most airframe have an APU to backup hydraulic failures but that is the last layer of defense for this type of failure.

So glad you are safe!

fly_it,

@RememberUsAlways @Gargron
APUs provide air and electricity, but no hydraulic power. Complete failures of hydraulic systems are usually leakages. That's why there is more than one hydraulic system in air transport aircraft.

Gargron,
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@fly_it @RememberUsAlways It was a leak! They hosed the plane to clean up the leaked hydraulic fluid before they towed us.

fly_it,

@Gargron @RememberUsAlways
If it was a 737 you might want to have a look into the details here:
https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.b737.org.uk/hydraulics.htm
(The actual website seems currently down)

RememberUsAlways,
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@fly_it

Nice schematic!
The APU supplies power to pumps if engines fail.
Leaks are quite common.
@Gargron

fly_it,

@RememberUsAlways @Gargron
To put it into perspective:
In almost ten years of flying the 737 I never had a hydraulic leak.

Leaks might be "common" to occur within a year if you look at it from an airline's perspective with a huge fleet.

RememberUsAlways, (edited )
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@fly_it

That's odd. The 737max version has only been in service 8 years. In my experience working on airframes, most pilots are not aware of the minor leaks.

It's not part of their job to be aware of minor repairs or maintenance.

I'm sure it's a rounding error.
@Gargron

fly_it,

@RememberUsAlways @Gargron
First flight in 1967. This aircraft type has been in service for over fifty years. Fifteen years ago Boeing was still very successful with it. Only the recent builds have been very troubled.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737

RememberUsAlways,
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@fly_it
Indeed. All the engines were replaced with the Max version within the past 15 years.

New engines in an ancient airframe. What could go wrong? 😔

@Gargron

fly_it,

@RememberUsAlways @Gargron
This is also incorrect. There are four generations (original, classic, next generation and max). They stay separate and are not being transformed to the newer version.

There are no LEAP engines on older 737.

RememberUsAlways,
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@fly_it
Gotcha.

The major airlines in the US are "upgrading" fleets to the Max version. I imagine there is not much market for the previous versions.

I'm not an airliner mechanic for Boeing so I'm going from my experience as a Navy aircraft electrician.

Boeing is a disaster since they became a monopoly.

@Gargron

fly_it,
RememberUsAlways,
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@fly_it
I'm not sure why you are so upset about a hydraulic leak.

Was it the fact that you've never seen one or?

Confused.

@Gargron

RememberUsAlways, (edited )
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@Gargron

Boeing has sacrificed quality control for share value, leaving a real opportunity for a new leader in the airline industry. It may take years before Boeing can correct this internal culture failure.

We had a saying in the Navy. "If it's not leaking, it's not working." 😭

@fly_it

GoatsLive,
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@Gargron Boeing aircraft?

cypnk,
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@Gargron Might have also been a maintenance issue. Even if Boeing had no flaws, a lot of those systems need to be kept maintained

cafechatnoir,
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@Gargron
Holy shit. Time for that entire fleet to be grounded worldwide.

Glad you're OK.

dougbeney,

@Gargron damn bro. Safe travels (...starting now)!

Gargron,
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I want off Mr. Boeing’s wild ride.

moritzdietz,
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@Gargron The chance of this happening is so low, but the frequency of things happening with Boeing planes is going through the roof. Risk assessment of picking flights by aircraft manufacturers is suddenly on the table when flying commercial.

Ricardobravo,

@Gargron I hope you are fine!

Nigma,

@Gargron the meme knows no bounds

grork,
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@Gargron was it a United flight, or another airline?

Gargron,
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@grork Yeah, it was United.

Jonly,

@Gargron watch out it might be via getting sucked out of a new emerging hole

ErikUden,
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@Gargron oh my god

beaufils,
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ErikUden,
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@Gargron be careful what you wish for

PythonLinks,
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@Gargron

Boeing Joke 1/3

A group of Boeing employees are sitting on a plane getting ready for takeoff.
The pilot comes on over the intercom and says "Folks, we're pleased to have you flying with us on our brand new 737, fresh from our good friends at Boeing!"

Immediately, the Boeing employees all scramble to get out of their seats and off the plane as quickly as possible. It's utter pandemonium in the aisles as everyone starts to panic.

NeilaK20,

@Gargron Holy shit. I'm glad y'all landed safe! :o

cdevroe,
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@Gargron glad you’re safe

korpil,

@Gargron like when they say “calm down”. Glad to know you’re fine.

chris,
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@Gargron Did they really use the words „Don‘t panic“?

Gargron,
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@chris Yeah

meatandpotatoes,

@Gargron which airline was it?

iramjohn,
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@Gargron One of those rare cases where I don't know what's going on, and I don't need to in order to strongly agree!

nrmacdonald,
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root42,
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@Gargron Fun fact: when I was very little I thought Boeing was spelled "Boing" because that would be the sound the planes make when they crash... I eventually got smarter.

Stephanie,

@Gargron What did they do NOW?!

enthraxxx,
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@Gargron What have they done now ?

TacticalGrace_,
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@Gargron What's up?

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