futurebird,
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Most fanciful ant adventure stories shrink the humans down to ant size. I prefer to scale the ants up to human size.

I think it presents fewer problems, and better explains the increased intelligence of the ants. Ants are among the most intelligent of insects even before you account for the complex decisions made on the colony-level. Nest site selection (when a mature colony moves) is very sophisticated.

I love the cover image on "Through the ant hill" --all summertime, and child-like wonder

A page from a different book about a person who is shrunk to ant size: White Patch by Angelo Patri. Copyright 1911. Black and white illustration of a ant teacher with glasses instructing three young ants on their history.

futurebird,
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On ant intelligence:

Ants are more intelligent than you'd anticipate given the number of neurons in their little brains. Is there is something more sophisticated & refined about their little bundles of gray matter?

What would a brain, human sized, but of ant design be capable of? Tremendous built-in memories & skills? (every ant in a colony is able to do every job, though they are often physically suited best to a particular role.)

Ants can also grow & shrink the size of their brains.

ersatzmaus,

@futurebird There are some interesting animals that are far smarter then you'd think from their brain size. Bees. Ants. And then the terminators of the arthropod world - Portia spiders.

futurebird,
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In some of the more unusual species of ant where it is possible for workers to take on the role of queen, there are profound changes in the brains of these ants as they adjust their roles.

Queens in the role of egg laying have the smallest brains. But a queen founding her nest has the largest and most complex brain.

Ant efficiency dictates that no expensive glucose gobbling neurons hang around when they are not needed.

albertcardona,
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@futurebird Any recommended paper showing ants that grow and shrink their brains, and grow them again? This makes ants as interesting as the Etruscan shrew that shrinks its brain by 30% to survive the winter and grows it partially back in the Spring when prey is abundant again.

#entomology #neuroscience

futurebird,
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futurebird,
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@albertcardona

I'd look up the researches mentioned in the Smithsonian article.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2021.0141

albertcardona,
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@futurebird

Thanks very much. Now I have to find samples of Harpegnathos saltator gamergate ants at the 3 stages of brain size for whole brain comparative #connectomics!

If someone wants to join in as a PhD or postdoc on this topic I am game.

#neuroscience #ants #entomology

futurebird,
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@albertcardona

I'm obsessed with Harpegnathos. I've always said that I wouldn't want to keep ants that could sting AND climb glass ... but I'd make an exception for these girls.

Since they have excellent eyesight its easier to understand what catches their attention and why. Watching videos of them hunting, jousting and caring for each other you get the sense of a little spark of intentionality.

When you walk by their enclosures they track you with their eyes.

https://youtu.be/6L0q9sHguyg

wndlb,
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@futurebird I've known some humans like that, but they still gobble glucose.

futurebird,
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A founding queen must know how to:

Find a mate
Fly
Select a nest location near resources
Dig a nest
Keep herself clean
Feed herself and others
Collect food
Lay eggs
Care for eggs and pupae

An established queen must know how to:
Lay eggs

Everything else, even her grooming is done by her daughters. But in gamergate species there is evidence that if an ant ceases to be a queen she can regain all of those skills again-- and they were able to show this meant that her brain literally grew larger!

futurebird,
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:: On Myrmecos "remote work" was a godsend for queens who choose to be egg layers for their colony (a role that carries some honor and prestige) -- They are able to keep their minds active & not fall into a queenly stupor as happened in primitive days.

Is it fitting for a laying queen to groom & feed herself? A rather hotly debated topic in magazines-- some say it could harm egg production rates, others wonder why everyone is so obsessed with production rates anymore.

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@futurebird
not knowing much biology, I thought gamergate was something about bad ant video game behavior. 😂 Now I know different.

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    The term "gamergate" USED to mean an ant who was a worker but who could become a queen.

    It's pronounced gam (rhymes with yam) not "game"

    I'm annoyed to no end that everyone thinks of some bone-headed internet weirdos first.

    Though it is kinda funny and incongruent they are named after a kind of female ant with reproductive ambitions.

    david_megginson,

    @futurebird @LinuxAndYarn That happens to many things, sadly. We have a family Christmas card from just after 1900 which has a swastika on the front -- it shocked us when we first found it, but then we realised that at the time it was just a pretty stylised cross for most Western Christians (and a different kind of sacred symbol for Buddhists and Hindus).

    Now, of course, it stands for genocide and white supremacism.

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    I think it is related to gametes. The ants were very upset about the name and even wrote articles about it:

    https://www.moonmontchronicle.com/gamergate-ants-resent-being-associated-with-angry-bipedal-pricks.html

    LinuxAndYarn,
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    @futurebird OMG, that is gorgeous. "The ants argue that the mouthbreathing sub-mammals' very use of the name 'gamergate,' which means 'married worker' in Greek, is untenable, because it represents everything the #Gamergate movement is not: skilled, productive, as well as social, sexually progressive, and indispensable to the community."

    🤣🤣🤣🤣😅

    Lachesis,

    @futurebird @LinuxAndYarn

    holy petiole, batman, this storyline's so cool!

    "...The ants argue that the mouthbreathing sub-mammals' very use of the name 'gamergate,' which means 'married worker' in Greek, is untenable, because it represents everything the #Gamergate movement is not: skilled, productive, as well as social, sexually progressive, and indispensable to the community. A petition has thus begun circulating on Change.org to have the hashtag removed."

    #GamerGate
    #Formicidae
    #BroodLife

    futurebird, (edited )
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    A difficult decision for anyone writing about ant people is what to do with the legs.

    1. Four legs on the ground, two as arms.
    2. Two legs on the ground & four arms. (most fun, I think)
    3. Six legs down, mandibles are arms. (most naturalistic)
    4. Mysteriously vanished middle legs. (Unacceptable!)

    For clothing, best give up on ants wearing pants. There are ample opportunities for vests & jackets along with spats.

    Backpacks? real ants would love such an item, if they could contrive to make it.

    stripey,

    @futurebird agreed - definitely don't put ants in their pants.

    ::ducks::

    Alon,
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    @futurebird Why not switch between 1 and 2? Anthropomorphic depictions of apes, like the Freefall webcomic, have their four limbs act as either legs or arms depending on circumstances.

    dan613,

    @futurebird Do ants have a sense of balance? Otherwise I’d say 4 legs. Mandibles would be a 3rd hand. Are they cold-blooded? Maybe they’d just carry a little warming pack instead of clothes, with scarves for decorations.

    sophieschmieg,

    @futurebird four arms is the most fun, but how would such an ant walk? The back legs longer than the gaster with the stinger pointing down? That'd be kinda awkward for repletes! The gaster to the back like a tail? Also kinda awkward for repletes!
    I think centaur pose (four legs, two arms) is the most stable configuration.

    GoblinQuester,
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    @futurebird It has been a while since I looked closely at ants ... but isn't the legs completely wrongly placed in that red pants pict?

    futurebird,
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    @GoblinQuester Good eye!

    You are correct all six legs are attached to the thorax. IDK what the artist was doing in that one.

    sophieschmieg,

    @futurebird @GoblinQuester also, how does that ant have four instead of three body segments?

    mensrea,
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    @futurebird back in the early 90s my mother wrote a children's story about ants. next time i go visit i'll see if it still exists

    jhayden,

    @futurebird but backpacks - which back do they wear them on? imagines

    Cyrus,
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    @futurebird I believe ant fashion peaked in the 1980’s: leg warmers, and bandannas tied around the elbows.

    jhavok,
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    @futurebird Front 4 limbs have hands and function as arms or legs depending on need. Hind legs are capable of bipedal walking.

    oblomov,
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    @futurebird you should read 7SEEDS, not only it's a very interesting manga, it also features gigantic ants (and assorted insects)

    Qbitzerre,
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    @futurebird like a neural network comprised of six-legged perceptrons. Such intelligence...

    nancylwayne,
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    @futurebird Out of curiosity, I am wondering if you are a fan of E.O. Wilson. I read a few of his books and found his fascination with and studies of ants fascinating.

    bobchauvin,
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    @futurebird Wondering if human sized ants would still wage war?

    futurebird,
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    @bobchauvin

    They absolutely did. There is a whole period in the history of Myrmecos called The Age of War-- the ants were so consumed with their wars that little was written down and much of their knowledge of that time comes from myth and legend.

    The Age of War ended when Central City was founded and colonies learned to live in mutual harmony (mostly) --and this is when ant technology really took off and they soon discovered space, the other living planets and eventually Earth.

    stripey,

    @futurebird I do have to ask - because I am a tedious and awful dork - whether Central City on Myrmecos has it's own "The Flash"

    futurebird,
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    @stripey

    I had to look this up. I didn't know there was a "Central City" in DC comics.

    I don't know about "The Flash" but there are certainly ants who one could call "silver surfers"

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/silver-saharan-ants-fastest-desert

    stripey,

    @futurebird oh gosh I regret that I made anybody look this up for my lame joke.

    bobchauvin,
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    @futurebird

    But then...

    futurebird,
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    @bobchauvin

    Such a wholesome inspiring story...

    bobchauvin,
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    @futurebird
    Kinda...

    "...Lesko realizes that, far from destroying the human race, the ants' plan is to adapt the human race and make them a part of the ants' world...."

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