jmcleod,

Actually, this will probably get pushed through. The developers of large apartment buildings hate providing space for resident car parking. They'd make more money using that space for more units. The only people who will oppose it are existing residents in the local areas, who park on the street. Many residents of large apartment buildings are still going to have cars, and they'll be competing for parking spots on the streets. Hilarity ensues. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/mar/14/victoria-car-park-apartment-minimum-requirements-close-to-public-transport-ptal

winterknell,
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@jmcleod It will also be opposed by those of us who don't drive and have no cars, and who have for years been struggling with people parking where they shouldn't be.

At a previous flat, people who didn't even live in our building kept parking in our reserved parking space, at all hours, right outside our bedroom window. So we blocked the entry then smilingly allowed known neighbours to park in front of that.

I expect you're right, and this will fly through. But don't expect prices to fall!

winterknell,
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@jmcleod The other observation I'd make is that the hilarity ensued long ago. Living a 5 minute walk from public transport has not led people to ditch their cars anywhere I've lived. Places like Richmond, for example, where workers cottages back when were built in rows with no allowance for cars. Those cottages now sell for millions, and the owners park their cars - often one for each resident - in the street.

SeanHawley,
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@winterknell @jmcleod I live 300 metres from a train station. I went without a car for 18 months and it was a nightmare. When everything ran to timetable it took 1 1/2 hours to get to work on public transport. It almost never ran to timetable ... if it turned up at all! It took me 50 minutes to ride my bicycle to work or 1/2 hour to drive.

I live in an older unit block with 9 units. Most residents park on the street most of the time, despite having to fight for spots with commuters and other residents of the street who mostly have no off street parking available.

Narrow driveways and a lack of in-unit storage mean it's more practical to use your garage for storage and park in the street.

dragonfrog,
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@SeanHawley @winterknell @jmcleod Living arbitrarily close to bad public transport isn't very useful. I've lived in cities with good public transport and I would never bother with a car there.

Most car dependent cities took 50 years to build their way into this mess, I reckon it'll take about as long to build their way back out.

EndemicEarthling,
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@dragonfrog @SeanHawley @winterknell @jmcleod I've lived in cities ranging in size from 500,000 to 5,000,000. Never owned a car. Never regretted it.

Free/cheap #parking is a terrible misallocation of public space, a massive subsidy to a subset of the population that results in making everyone's lives worse, yes, even drivers, who benefit enormously when a city actually has a well designed, safe, funded and functional #PublicTransport system. And parking minimums are another way cities are made worse by design.

Look into the history of almost any city over a certain size in a wealthy country without decent public transport and you'll find the destructive fingers of the auto and/or oil industry thwarting attempts at more efficient and just transport systems.

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