@ploum@mysk the amount of apple users going "but apple is more privacy friendly than google" is worrisome. Theyre both exact same shit, a duopoly pretending to compete, and this is just one more item to that list.
When someone buys a phone for 800€ (a decade ago or more), or 1400€ (nowadays), they're unreasonable.
When someone pretends paying for expensive thing "guarantees respect privacy, because Apple doesn't need¹ to sell your data to marketers", they're unreasonable
When you're labelled a "troll", get insulted then blocked by apple fanboys for pointing out that Apple is part of capitalism surveillance, by providing give examples¹, they're unreasonable
you seem to be equating "apple's apps" = "Apple Device".
Is that backed up in that filing? (honest question, I have not looked further than your post).
I wonder because if I were using the apple maps app, I would assume they would get the addresses I searched for. If I am using find-my app with location services turned on, I would think apple would know my location.
Are they saying that beyond those things that are required for the apps to work?
@lps@ploum@JRepin This is a class action lawsuit Apple is facing based on some research we did like 2 years ago. After publishing a few tweets about how the App Store harvests detailed identifiable usage data and there's no way to turn that off, 21 class action lawsuits were filed against Apple across the US. Now they were combined in one class action lawsuit and the excerpt you see above is taken from Apple's first (so far the only one) response in the case.
@tuxicoman@ploum Apple's lawyers' statement was generic and inaccurate. Not all Apple apps are the same. Apple Maps for example doesn't link search queries to a user's profile. Locations visited and remain on-device or synced with other iCloud devices while end-to-end encrypted. Apple can still provide a way to opt out for apps that aren't private from Apple. But they don't, and that contradicts with the slogan "what happens on your iPhone stays on your iPhone"
@mysk@tuxicoman : the point here is not what is technically happening right now.
It is philosophical: if no reasonable user should expect privacy, they will invade that privacy. They will use those data against you. They will sell it. It’s Chehkov’s gun: any gun on the wall in the first act will be fired during the third act.
(well, one might argue that they already do. The fact that they do it less visibly and in a more closed way than Google doesn’t make it less bad).
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