strypey, (edited )
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#MeaCulpa I just realized that I was joining in the chorus of disapproval about John Mastodon driving new signups to his flagship mastodon.social server, in very strident terms, despite having made excuses for the matrix folks doing exactly the same thing; driving new sign-ups to the matrix.org homesever in Riot/Element. I guess it just reminds me that nobody is immune from bias, however fair and balanced we're trying to be 🫣

#Mastodon #matrix #Element

strypey,
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In my defence, the matrix folks have said from the start that their eventual goal is to move everyone onto community-hosted homeservers and shut down the matrix.org one. John Mastodon has no such plans for mastodon.social.

koherecoWatchdog,

@strypey What’s the solution? Some folks support defederating from instances that are centralized by disproportionate user load: https://freeradical.zone/@koherecoWatchdog/110434846930420561

strypey,
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@koherecoWatchdog @digitalRightsNinja Please don't involve me in yet another hellthread on this topic. I'm hoping the growth of the "threadiverse" - due to the recent Reddit drama - will solve the problem for us by shifting the balance of power in the verse away from John Mastodon's decisions. Decentralisation at work.

koherecoWatchdog,

@strypey @digitalRightsNinja What feeds a hellthread are bad ideas. So just avoid posting bad ideas that don’t solve the problem. The #threadiverse does not solve the centralization problem. It’s the best initial step we have. A migration from #Reddit to threadiverse would be useful progress. But it’s only the start of a solution not a finished solution.

digitalRightsNinja,

What about a mechanism that allows mastodon.social posts to reach local timelines, but with a lower priority that treats them more like 2nd class citizens? E.g. drop original posts coming from mastodon.social, but deliver statuses that are in response to existing threads, favs, and perhaps boosts of non-mastodon.social authors. They should lose some privileges but wholly outcasting seems a bit overboard.

bob,

@strypey I know that they made the claim of eventually shutting down matrix.org, but I haven't seen any evidence of movement towards that goal.

The solution needs to be that new accounts are on a round robin of approved instances. Deliberately doing load balancing with instances.

strypey,
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@bob
> they made the claim of eventually shutting down matrix.org, but I haven't seen any evidence of movement towards that goal

One of the blockers has been that the only feature-complete server implementation is Synapse, which is... to put it politely... a bit of a load on servers. Although its performance has been improved, there's only so much effort they want to put into optimising it when Dendrite is intended to replace it.

strypey,
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@bob
> they made the claim of eventually shutting down matrix.org, but I haven't seen any evidence of movement towards that goal

One of the blockers has been that the only feature-complete server implementation is Synapse, which is... to put it politely... a bit of a load on servers. Although its performance has been improved, there's only so much effort they want to put into optimising it when Dendrite is intended to replace it. So all work on Dendrite could be seen as movement towards it.

adfeno,

@strypey @bob another thing to look at is the dependency graph, and, I know little if any #Matrix server is #FreeSoftware or was packaged by a #FSDG compliant "#Linux #Distribution". For the first part, since I can't review this myself I suggest you to talk to people working at the #FreeSoftwareDirectory / #Directory / #FSD ( https://directory.fsf.org/ ). For 2nd, see https://gnu.org/distros . Also, there maybe the issue of client-side #JavaScript / #JS .

strypey,
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@adfeno
> little if any Matrix server is FreeSoftware

Are you talking about clients or servers? F-Droid packages a number of matrix apps, including Element.

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