Teri_Kanefield,
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I was hoping nothing important would happen because I'm busy finishing my book again 😂

I'll answer this one:
the CO Supreme Court just ruled that the 14th amend means Trump can’t be on the state ballot. How does one appeal a state court decision to SCOTUS? (Other than a death penalty sentence)

Federal issues are appealable to federal courts.

The Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what the Constitution means. (See Marbury v. Madison)

mastodonmigration,
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@Teri_Kanefield

Great Colorado case explainer here by @marcelias: https://mas.to/@marcelias/111609647598009973

A key point here Marc reiterates a few times is that the judge in the original case has ruled as a matter of fact that Trump engaged in insurrection. This leaves the higher courts with ruling on matters of whether the law applies unless they find grave error in the judge's ruling, a high standard. Bottom line, Trump has an uphill battle as seen here today, and upcoming with USSC.

#trump #14th #colorado

whetstone,

@mastodonmigration A lawyer friend here in CO praised the first judge for ruling separately on the facts and the law for exactly this reason. Much harder to overturn her ruling that he is an insurrectionist this way, pushing the higher courts into a corner.

mastodonmigration,
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@whetstone

Pretty much what Marc said. It is really interesting to get legal experts analysis as it often differs from the talking head hot takes.

Which is also why Teri is such a treasure!

rameshgupta,
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⬆️ @Teri_Kanefield

>> CO Supreme Court just ruled that the 14th amend means Trump can’t be on the state ballot

Now is especially the time to get to from any case involving because of involvement in .

How can that be done?

kkeller,
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@rameshgupta @Teri_Kanefield impeachment and conviction. There is no other recourse because Thomas just does not care about a conflict of interest.

noondlyt,
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@Teri_Kanefield The ruling is stayed until January 4th. Does this mean SCOTUS has to weigh in before that or it otherwise becomes effective?

rob11563,
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@Teri_Kanefield The so-called 'Supreme' Court is corrupt. Three justices were appointed by Trump. All three should recuse but they won't.

rob11563,
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@Teri_Kanefield I was Brett Kavanaugh’s college roommate. He lied under oath about his drinking and terms in his yearbook. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/brett-kavanaugh-college-roommate-jamie-roche.html

eldubuu, (edited )
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@Teri_Kanefield

I think this case is SCOTUS worst nightmare. I can see it going any number of ways, none of them very good. If they rule against Colorado, they will have incentivized future insurrectionists. If they rule for Colorado, they will have incentivized future 14A challenges in every state.

mvario,
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@Teri_Kanefield One question please, this appears to regard the primary election. Does the US Constitution even apply? Can't parties just name whoever they want as candidate (thinking 1968 Dems)? If CO does this regarding the general election ballot I can see it meaning a lot more.

deirdresm,
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@mvario @Teri_Kanefield

Yes, the #USConstitution applies. The US Constitution requires that presidents be at least 35, so the states have to filter out people who don't meet that qualification from appearing on the ballot. Like you couldn't just vote in King Charles because he's not a natural-born US citizen, so the states wouldn't put him on the ballot.

I've only scanned the ruling, but they rely mostly on US Constitutional law. I linked the entire ruling here: https://hachyderm.io/@deirdresm/111609768689132590

Teri_Kanefield,
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@mvario

It gets complicated. If the decision was based on the Constitution, that's federal.

If Colorado didn't already have a law in place, they relied on the Constitution.

If they relied on a Colorado law then it would not be a federal issue.

Make sense?

(Again I'm so tired I can hardly type so I didn't look closely at the ruling yet)

mvario,
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@Teri_Kanefield Thank you very much! I won't, and I always look to experts like yourself on these matters to try and understand what they mean.

Bam, (edited )
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@Teri_Kanefield @thepoliticalcat

Have to suggest a minor correction here, but I believe that’s not a Marbury issue, but rather is better considered as a Martin v Hunter’s Lesee issue.

I suggest this because it’s not about the power of judicial review in the federal system, but rather appears to be about the power of the SCOTUS to review decisions of state courts of last resort construing federal law.

johnelamb,

@Teri_Kanefield Figured i’d ask you before I get all frothy in the mouth and short on brains…

If Supreme Court upholds this (or heck, is like “If its not for this, I don’t know what the clause is for!?”) would I be all anti-democratic to be kinda ok with that?

Sorry for asking you to be a sanity check.

bynkii,
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@Teri_Kanefield Marbury v. Madison always makes me giggle when textualists defend it.

Mea,

@Teri_Kanefield Now what's going to stop Wisconsin from tossing Biden off the ballot?

kkeller,
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@Mea @Teri_Kanefield they would need a justifiable reason, or courts would be more likely to require the WI SoS to place him on the ballot. The Colorado plaintiffs took on a longshot theory and won (for now at least). Is there a theory that could keep Biden off the ballot in WI that would actually work?

SnarkyLibruhl,

@Teri_Kanefield Am I wrong thinking Trump would be taking a huge risk pursuing an appeal of this ruling? If SCOTUS affirms the Colorado ruling, wouldn’t that mean the Disqualification Clause applies.

kkeller,
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@SnarkyLibruhl @Teri_Kanefield my guess would be, if he doesn't appeal, then the CO ruling that he is an insurrectionist would apply by default. Other state high courts wouldn't be obligated to follow that ruling, but then citizens suing to block him from their state ballots could appeal to SCOTUS. So one way or another they will likely hear an appeal based on the CO ruling

kkeller,
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@Teri_Kanefield what's your gut instinct on how the Supreme Court would rule if it takes up the case (which seems likely)?

Leu2500,

@Teri_Kanefield thx, Teri

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