cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

Local congresswoman Nancy Mace said: “How in the hell do you lose an F-35? How is there not a tracking device and we’re asking the public to what, find a jet and turn it in?”

It's a stealth fighter! Adding a tracking beacon would be self-defeating: if it's made intentionally easy for the USMC to find, that can be used by enemies.

US military asks for help to find missing F-35 fighter jet after ‘mishap’ sees pilot eject:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/18/missing-f-35b-lighting-ii-fighter-jet-us-military-help-marine-corps-pilot-ejects

FenTiger,
@FenTiger@mastodon.social avatar
ncweaver,

@cstross It actually is a serious question: IT should have an ADS-B transponder on it (you just turn it off when you are going to shoot people).

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@ncweaver @cstross Besides, the ADS-B transponder provides good ground truth for the ML model used by your stealth-detecting radars…
But yes, you're right; these planes do have transponders for non-wartime use.

ncweaver,

@SteveBellovin @cstross
If an adversary is collecting data on radar behavior in south carolina, I think the FBI has a problem they'd need to address...

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@ncweaver @cstross Are you familiar with, e.g., flightradar24? (I used it to identify an annoying helicopter near my apartment yesterday—NYPD…)

tklancer,

@SteveBellovin @ncweaver @cstross Even better, https://globe.adsbexchange.com/ -- that shows all traffic with transponders, including military.

ncweaver,

@SteveBellovin @cstross
Yes, but to train your ML model you need radar, not the ADS-B data...

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@ncweaver @cstross You do that by passively listening to surveillance radar returns, from other folks’ radar units. No need to be conspicuous by transmitting…

ncweaver,

@SteveBellovin @cstross
Ah, very good point. Or better yet don't listen to (just) radar, listen to cellphone towers...

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@ncweaver @SteveBellovin I have heard rumors of using pulsars and other radio astronometric signals as sources for passive radar ... night have been a leg-pull but isn't obviously impossible?

SteveBellovin,
@SteveBellovin@mastodon.lawprofs.org avatar

@cstross @ncweaver Hmm—I wonder what antenna size is needed. (The coolest use I ever heard of that combines radio waves and astronomical phenomena is meteor burst communication: bouncing a radio signal off the ionization trail left by a meteoroid: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_burst_communications)

johanmazel,

@SteveBellovin @cstross @ncweaver I think there is a wikipedia page on the subject: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radar.

AMS,

@cstross @ncweaver @SteveBellovin A bunch of nice open-source SDR projects have had their passive radar (Using Terrestrial TV, Radio, and Cell Phone Towers) firmware heavily ITAR-hammered. Not sure you'd need extraterrestrial illumination sources when the local ones are so ubiquitous.

kierkegaank,
@kierkegaank@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@cstross deja vu

dshan,
@dshan@mastodon.au avatar

@cstross Waiting for DeSantis to blame not finding it on the USMC being woke.

ovid,
@ovid@fosstodon.org avatar

@dshan @cstross No, DeSantis is hugely supportive of the F-35 program. Unlike the SR 71, it's not black.

DismalManorGang,
@DismalManorGang@mastodon.online avatar

@ovid @dshan @cstross @TidalFlats
Many of the bits and pieces come from Florida! LM is good about ensuring governors know such things.

ovid,
@ovid@fosstodon.org avatar

@DismalManorGang @dshan @cstross @TidalFlats It's a structural problem with large democracries: even if something is in the country's best interest, you still need to spread the jobs and increase the inefficiency if you want enough politicians to vote. It's been hurting NASA for decades.

Edit: I should add that the above pained me to say because I'm very much not a #Libertarian, but this particular stopped clock is right twice in a blue moon.

cstross,
@cstross@wandering.shop avatar

@ovid @DismalManorGang @dshan @TidalFlats it's a structural problem all right—one arising from historic tolerance of widespread endemic corruption. It's not inevitable.

VoxDei,
@VoxDei@qoto.org avatar

@cstross I saw this. I figured it might well have a beacon, but water blocks EM radiation very effectively, so if it's in a lake...

xorn,
@xorn@mastodon.social avatar

@cstross Just gonna forward the relevant bits from my osint feed...

hittitezombie,
@hittitezombie@mastodon.me.uk avatar

@xorn @cstross This is not the first time an aircraft on autopilot caused an international incident.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Belgium_MiG-23_crash

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