jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

Really SNCF, Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes and Bourgogne-Franche-Comté

I’m sick of this shit. Sick of it

I HAVE TICKETS FOR MY WHOLE ROUTE. Tickets Lyon P D-Tournus, and Tournus-Nuits sous Ravières. Booked that way because each region’s reduction cards aren’t fully compatible

And now the train manager tells me having two tickets like this ISN’T ALLOWED, and he could fine me. He didn’t because I explained, but he wasn’t amused

Here’s why I have 2 tickets: https://gruene.social/@jon/110933138992725058

myrmidon,

@jon Welcome to France.

tombuildsstuff,

@jon just to ensure I’m understanding that correctly, the train stops at both of those stations, or only passes through?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@tombuildsstuff Stops at them.

sintzoff,
@sintzoff@mast.eu.org avatar

@jon next time, you could try to show only one ticket at the time (Lyon-Tournus before Tournus, Tournus-Nuits sous Ravières after Tournus). I did this in Belgium a very long time ago.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@sintzoff Sure. But I reasoned I didn’t want an argument later in the trip if the controller came past again. That was an error!

jncn,
@jncn@mastodon.social avatar

@jon How did they found out?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@jncn I showed both tickets! Foolishly.

fishter_uk,

@jon @jncn I was wondering if the workaround was to only show the currently valid ticket if asked.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@fishter_uk @jncn Yes. Probably. I was too honest.

PGLux,

@jon

10 yrs ago, the guard wouldn't have pointed this out.

But in the meantime, 🇫🇷 Regions have become very jealous of their power.

clem,
@clem@mstdn.io avatar

@PGLux @jon AuRA is easily the worst in terms of not wanting to work with others. Can't count how much things they've killed, including the Bordeaux/Lyon TER that Nouvelle-Aquitaine wanted to set up to replace the discontinued Intercity line.

clem,
@clem@mstdn.io avatar

@PGLux @jon Historically you could get two separate tickets for one trip, but you would need to get out of the train to punch the second ticket at the station where it started. Bothersome really. But otherwise if you got checked after you started the second segment you would be deemed to not have a valid ticket.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@clem @PGLux but now composter isn’t needed. So I logically should be ok then?

PGLux,

@jon @clem You should be

OK so long as the Terms & Conditions relating to those railcards do not prohibit ticket splitting.

PGLux,

@clem @jon

Normally; if travelling on multiple tickets, you can stamp them all at the station where your journey begins.

clem,
@clem@mstdn.io avatar

@PGLux @jon only if the e.g. second segment was a connecting train. Well that's how it was back then anyway. Nowadays you hardly even need to punch them anymore.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@clem @PGLux you literally cannot in a bunch of stations. They got rid of the composteur in Nuits sous Ravières this spring.

PGLux,

@jon @clem

Yes, that move started in 2021, after 43 years of compulsory stamping

wrzlbrnft,
@wrzlbrnft@troet.cafe avatar

@jon Luckily you're at least able to explain your situation to the train manager in French. /o\

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@wrzlbrnft I told him I’d step down onto the platform in Tournus and get on again if I had to. Then he turned all SNCF and started mansplaining. But jeez I hate this setup. This crap is in no one’s interests.

tommrazek,

@jon did you find out exactly what policy prohibits this?

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@tommrazek he couldn’t tell me. Only it is not allowed.

tommrazek,

@jon thanks! I’m writing a post on some of the ticketing issues across Europe. Sounds like a classic France situation unfortunately

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar
astronav,

Not just France, @tommrazek. There is (was?) a similar restriction in Germany inhibiting combinations of so called "hopper tickets" (one for A>B and one for B>C to get from A to C). At least, it used to be forbidden some years ago.
@jon

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@astronav @tommrazek I’ve done it on ICEs before, never been told off. Maybe I just was lucky with friendly staff?

astronav,

Really, @jon? Hopper ticket in an ICE train -- without being fined? How did you manage that? @tommrazek

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@astronav @tommrazek I had tickets for all parts of the trip. Just not one ticket. I explained why, and it was fine. (I’d changed my plan, started in a different place, and bought the extra bit. No fraud)

roye7777777,

@jon Same for the IC Amsterdam - Brussels. Amsterdam - Noorderkempen (covered by subscription within the Netherlands) and Noorderkempen - Brussels separately. Some do get cynical when they see this construction though, but never have I ever had issues with it. That will be different if I'd be on the faster/directer service which does not stop in Noorderkempen. For the particular faster train which is to be introduced in 2024, I heard from within NMBS that plans exist to prohibit domestic voyages (like Thalys), thus effectively banning splitting tickets after the border, but only in Belgium... It's hard to believe, as NMBS would supposedly have to remove one current train to make this service possible. That sounds a bit like 'ouigo replaces recular tgv'.

jon,
@jon@gruene.social avatar

@roye7777777 I’ve done that Noorderkempen split as well - never any problem. I can’t see they’re going to get away with national prohibitions on these trains - it’d play right into the hands of their private sector critics.

PGLux,

@jon @roye7777777

I think short-lived Fyra was not open to 🇧🇪 internal travellers.

PGLux,

@jon @tommrazek

Terms & conditions should be published somlewhere.

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