otl,

Finally deleted my LinkedIn account!

After putting my account into "hibernation" for the past few weeks, I finally closed it. But I'm still looking for work. Thankfully I can still find positions (SRE and software dev) by just going directly to the company's site and finding a Jobs page.

Good luck to everyone else out there looking for work!

@privacy

FriendBesto,

That’s great, friend! Congrats! I am looking forward to doing that, it is one of the last 3 social media accounts I have a left.

hawgietonight,

Nothing wrong with it if you just ignore the spam and karmawhore social feed. I use it for visibility, so employers can find me if they wish. My current job was from a LinkedIn search from my employer. I get around 2 or 3 legit offers a month.

uis,

Fun fact: linkedin is banned in Russia

FriendBesto,

Given the context of OP, that’s good for them, no?

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

And China. They only allow the direct messaging function, so you don’t have to live without spam.

TypicalHog,

Nice! LinkedIn is disgusting!

DeadNinja, (edited )
@DeadNinja@lemmy.world avatar

Linkedin is Facebook with a necktie and a blazer on.

Agree? (Lol)

otl,

@DeadNinja I hate that I laughed at that “Agree?” hahaha

@privacy

dutchkimble,

It’s 2 facebooks in a trench coat

uis,

French national necktie

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Lemmy is Reddit running on an old ThinkPad instead of Azure Cloud

(upvotes to the left)

laughterlaughter,

Clap for yes, Like for hell yes!

Anticorp,

Why?

harsh3466,

I “deleted” my LinkedIn a couple years ago, and last year I started getting fucking connection request emails again.

I went to LinkedIn and lo and behold my login worked. I fucking deleted my account again. I’m sure it’s still there. Assholes.

viking,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Change your employer to a company based in Europe, and send them a GDPR takedown request.

Fake4000,

It’s pretty much a place where everyone pats themselves on the back.

Only issue with LinkedIn is the prospect of finding jobs. I got my last job through LinkedIn actually.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Same. I keep mine, but I don’t actively use it unless I’m looking for a job.

summerof69,

I got a couple of jobs thanks to LinkedIn, I don’t know what problem people have with it. Yeah, the content is questionable, but nobody asks you to spend time scrolling the feed.

cmgvd3lw,

Do you post your achievements there?

electricprism,

Microsoft owns LinkedIn

OrkneyKomodo,
@OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

I’d love to do this, but I used LinkedIn to find my current job, & I’ll probably need it to find the next one (when the time comes).

I keep it up to date, like a kind of running CV, but otherwise I don’t interact with it.

thesmokingman,

This is how I use it. I’ve found a couple of jobs on LinkedIn. I’m currently happy at my job and not interested in dealing with passive searching so I check in maybe once a week to see visitors. Otherwise I don’t touch it at all.

MadBob,

running CV

Little bit off-topic and nitpicky, but a CV is by nature a running thing. The name even comes from a Latin word for “run”.

OrkneyKomodo,
@OrkneyKomodo@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

TIL

haui_lemmy,

Went through a couple comments of both „still use it“ and „dont need it at all“.

We need a fedi linkedin clone

Its again totally obvious that we need a fediverse linkedin clone, especially geared towards work, with a full cv function, option to hide your personal data until you approve a future employer, ways like mastodon for companies to prove they are legit to even be able to see a persons personal data so they dont dox themselves to some rando.

I cant do it on my own but willing to help

I‘m unable to set this up so please take the idea and run with it. Probably just a mastodon fork tbh with specific features. If anyone feels like doing this and needs business knowledge from an entrepreneur/CEO perspective, lmk.

Thank you for reading and have a good one!

____,

The same has occurred to me numerous times. I’m not the guy to lead the project, but I’d certainly be willing to dive in and help.

Honestly, I’m somewhat surprised there isn’t one, or at least a zygote of one, already.

haui_lemmy,

Feel free to help. I just spun something up. Whoever else is interested, dm me.

bionicjoey,

option to hide your personal data until you approve a future employer

I think this is impossible in a fediverse context. Data is either shared publicly or only shared with your home instance’s admins. There’s no other sharing model as far as I know.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Things could be encrypted. But yeah, that’s my biggest issue with the fediverse, it’s just not designed around privacy. It’s also why I’m working on my own lemmy alternative, I want something a bit more privacy-friendly.

I don’t think working on a LinkedIn alternative is worthwhile because it relies even more heavily on the network effect. The only point I see in LinkedIn is in finding jobs, and getting employers to look at something else is an uphill battle I don’t want to fight.

bionicjoey,

My understanding is that Activitypub federation and that sort of privacy are somewhat incompatible. Because someone could always just create a new instance and then federate the stuff you don’t want shared with them.

sugar_in_your_tea,

The point would be sharing data that’s not useful without the key. So you could share your public key and public metadata, but to access private data you’d need to get approved first. An approval request would be encrypted with your public key and contain a response key, and your response would contain your response encrypted with their key.

You obviously wouldn’t be able to control what they do with your data once decrypted, but all of that back and forth can happen in the clear without giving up private information. It’s the same way GPG/PGP works over email, just on a fediverse instead of SMTP.

It really wouldn’t be all that hard to implement, I just don’t think it would get any meaningful traction because LinkedIn is so reliant on the network effect.

haui_lemmy,

Thats no issue. You can make only public data federate and use p2p for sensitive data.

Public would be your skills, some text about yourself, your industries and amount of employed years in each industry without dates or companies.

Think of it like a puzzle. First part the employer gets to see. They can search „java dev 5 yrs exp“ and get 100 peeps, in state/country/remote, for xxx$ per year/month/hour.

Then they can send you a request but only if they have authenticated through their own public website like on mastodon. If you accept, they can ask you questions and talk. If you reach common ground, they can request your full cv which could be self deleting or something in case the job falls through.

Its not a perfect system but its a lot safer than sending a cv per unencrypted email imo. or answering to some rando on linkedin. Also, anyone who knows you can find you on linkedin with your clear name. Its totally crazy to decline the potential of such a project in light of the current situation.

finickydesert,

Just imagine responding to LinkedIn post from Lemmy

haui_lemmy,

That would be both frightening and funny. But I dont know which one is more.

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

Shout less, please.

Also, no I won’t develop your app. Could (maybe), won’t.

haui_lemmy,

I‘m not shouting. I‘m using proper headlines.

I could also not care less what you would or could do.

onlinepersona,

I‘m using proper headlines.

Ma man 🫰

MalReynolds,
@MalReynolds@slrpnk.net avatar

I‘m not shouting. I‘m using proper headlines.

Seen anyone else using them ?

I could also not care less what you would or could do.

But you use social media…

haui_lemmy,

Yes.

I‘m interacting with you. That doesnt mean I care. I would care if you had anything constructive to offer, so feel free to start.

siipale,

What difference does the federation make in this case? Either way the personal data is in someone else’s computer.

haui_lemmy,

Federated means democratic. We‘re on lemmy because free association. Its obvious that all other social media, including work related, should be federated, in fact it should be outlawed to have anything public-non-federated. We need to destroy all walled gardens.

On the other topic of personal data: the critical data like real name, home address, phone number, email address, former employers etc. should absolutely not be federated, thats a need to know basis.

The public profiles are the same as mastodon and don’t constitute personal data in my book: your skills, the industries and length of employment.

The important part is that you can put your personal data on an instance (which might or might not be your own) and encrypt it so nobody except you can read it and if you get an offer, the future employer gets an encypted view of your data which could also be on auto delete if the job falls through.

Safipok,

On the other topic of personal data: the critical data like real name, home address, phone number, email address, former employers etc. should absolutely not be federated, thats a need to know basis.

Wait till you hear about yellow pages and white pages!

sugar_in_your_tea,

Federation isn’t the magic bullet you make it out to be. In fact I disagree with pretty much everything you said, but we probably agree on some fundamental concepts. I just believe federation isn’t democratic, not even a little bit, it’s just silos of control.

I think we need distributed platforms where data is owned through encryption and signatures. Think gossip protocol with PGP encryption and web of trust based moderation. It’s still not democratic, but it puts control in the hands of individual users, not instance admins.

Similar to what Churchill said of democracy, Lemmy/ActivityPub is the worst form of social media, except for all the others. Federation isn’t the goal imo, decentralization is. It just turns out that a ActivityPub and Lemmy are available today, which is why I’m here. Reddit was the best option before now (open source frontend, friendly API, etc), but that changed so now I’m here.

So no, don’t enshrine a particular solution into law, focus on the principles of privacy and decentralization.

haui_lemmy,

Yeah, there we really have to agree to disagree.

You will always have silos of control and that is a good thing. The fact that makes it democratic is that you have access to it. If you dont like the rules of the instance, you move or spin up your own.

What you‘re saying is just everyone for themselves, diverting the already thinly stretched attention of fedi-capable folks even more.

Again, I think its okay to disagree. I‘m just saying „but i want“ is not a valid reason to reinvent the wheel imo.

Our problem is not a system, it is certain behavior of certain people corrupting the system until itself becomes the problem. The solution is not bringing down the system but outlawing the behavior (the dark triad) because although I consider myself a leftist and close to anarchism, I recognize that we have a lot of narcissists and psychopaths in that space as well. Those who are willing to take any measure to bring the current people in power down to take power themselves. Bullying people into submission is no different than being rich and paying them for it.

sugar_in_your_tea,

everyone for themselves.

I’m not suggesting that at all. What I want is the next logical step after federation, which is basically data being distributed.

Basically, I want BitTorrent, but for social media. So there would be no instances, only communities (so no community@instance, just community). Right now, if lemmy.ml goes down, all of the communities hosted there go down and people would need to migrate elsewhere. With a distributed system, if someone drops out, the community goes on because it doesn’t live on any one system. Lemmy could mitigate that with a feature to move a community, but you still have the fragmentation issue.

The tricky part is moderation, but I’m thinking that could be done through votes and reports/blocks. Basically, if you vote the same way as someone consistently, you’ll start to trust their votes, reports, and blocks more than other uses, and you could enable automatic moderation to hide stuff based on someone else’s moderation.

So you would no longer need to rely on a centralized set of mods for a community, you’d instead pick mods yourself based on who you agree with. So you and I could have a separate set of “mods” for the same content. At any time, you could inspect the moderation to see if you agree with it, and your account would learn what you like and don’t like. This kills the “power hungry mods” issue that kills so many communities (i.e. I’ve left subreddits purely because of mods), though I’m a little worried it’ll push people even more into echo chambers.

The important thing, though, is that it puts the control directly into the hands of the users, with a set of tools to customize it. And there could be multiple competing clients to handle the moderation differently. I think it’s a bit more democratic than what Lemmy provides.

its okay to disagree

I absolutely agree.

My point is that I see federation as a stopgap to something better, not the destination, and it’s totally reasonable to disagree. I just think federation will have similar problems as centralized services, and that it’s inevitable once it grows to a certain size.

haui_lemmy,

I agree. Federation isnt the end. But right now, we have to build this up and abolish the old, not abolish the new imo. Thats why I say federation everywhere now, concentrate everything on making this work and worry about the next thing afterward.

The reason I say this is also because I founded a couple of very successful businesses because my autistic brain has a very significant advantage: intense focus. Focusing your efforts on one thing is insanely important and the only way to really get somewhere.

Have you ever wondered why there are better systems, fairer systems but they never take hold? The reason imo isnt (only) because the 1% actively fight them and lead the rest to fight them as well but because the anarchists and leftists cant agree on a goal to pursue.

They burn themselves out without much to show for it. Constantly shaming each other for not being leftist enough, voting, not voting, etc. Thats the only reason why autocracy works. Right wingers have one enemy: leftists. Leftists have hundreds because they’re all different shades of left.

If we actually for some reason got the idea to ask what our smallest common denominator is, we would actually het somewhere. But the little narcissist in most of us doesnt want that because their idea was „better“. Its the old curse of „too smart for your own good“.

sugar_in_your_tea,

leftist

Maybe you’re just using this as an example, IDK, but I’ve seen a lot of people here on lemmy seem to conflate technology and political ideology. Technology can be a means to a political end, but equating the two just encourages dogmatic loyalty, and discourages diversity of thought.

But maybe I’m projecting here, IDK.

And yeah, I totally get the concern over splitting the community with too many different ideas (i.e. the Standards XKCD). My concern is that federation won’t scale. Users have demonstrated that they’ll largely join a handful of big instances, and those instances are poorly funded (often run by some generous benefactor) and fairly expensive to run. And that’s with just 50k or so monthly active users, imagine what’s going to happen if it ever gets to Reddit scale…

So that’s why I’m interested in distributed social networks, they scale really well with lots of users, in fact, they can work even better the more users they get (e.g. BitTorrent). So if we’re looking for a grassroots tech stack, it should be distributed. I’d really like someone else to build it (hence why I bring it up, to hopefully get someone to do it), but I’ll hack on it in the meantime because I find it fun.

That said, lemmy is good enough for now, hence why I’m here. I just don’t see it as a long term solution.

haui_lemmy,

Thats a very insightful and well formulated comment. Thank you for this. It was very easy to read ans touched a pot of points.

The standards xkcd is pretty iconic, ngl.

My point with mixing politics in is that most of us have common goals but we dont talk about them. I‘d imagine most of us want to be free from (corporate) control, which isnt by design political but in fact only really lived by the highly progressive and so on. But yes, I used politics as an example for splitting effort.

The idea of distributed spcial networks in itself isnt bad but saying it will work when we have no signs for it kinda is. Bittorrent is great and all but it works to overcome many problems that normal downloads at the time had and doesnt have any of the limitations what social media has (need for moderation, need for linked actions, etc)

Finally, the reason I think we have large instances is that running a social network is no joke. I have my own instance with just a handful of friends and there are technical, legal and moderation issues. These wont go away. People wont learn to host a server and open source wont make it dead easy tomorrow. It will take years until a next lemmy is easily deployable.

And the reason that lemmy isnt easily deployable is that making a social network is no joke either. the devs get a lot of hate for things that arent their fault. I donated a (for me) large chunk of money to them for their efforts because I am the change I want to see.

So, I agree, we will need to evolve further and further but we arent evolving in anything (it feels like) except the fediverse. So instead of pushing the one fhing that is actually progressive to break itself, I‘d use my energy to push voting to become federated, to push banking to become federated (as in think about a successor to crypto or get a standard to form that is clearly superior).

I hope my intension is clear here. I‘m pushing hard for the fediverse to succeed and see big scares along the way (corpo intervention for example) and I know how burnout and attention spread work against us so although I agree that progress is important, many people who havent lived through burnout dont get the need for nuance.

Have a good one.

sugar_in_your_tea,

saying it will work when we have no signs for it kinda is

I’m actually working on a proof-of-concept, but I honestly would prefer to not head the project. I don’t think I can commit long term to a project like that, I hate being the center of attention, and honestly I think someone else would do a better job pushing it forward. But I’m intrigued by the tech, so I’m trying my hand at building it.

If I have something to show, I’ll post it here. But at least from the initial work I’ve done, I think it should scale nicely. I’ll probably get tired of it before “finishing,” but I guess time to tell.

I do like lemmy and the fediverse, I just want to be prepared for it falling apart. I think it’s seeing some uptake issues because of fundamentals of the fediverse (needing to understand federation just to join communities, for example), and that will limit its mainstream appeal. But I’ll keep using it until there’s a credible alternative.

voting to become federated

What exactly do you mean by this?

successor to crypto

Honestly, I think crypto is fine, and I’m particularly interested in privacy coins like Monero. The main issue they have is speculation, but honestly, that happens with fiat currencies as well, and if people start using something like Monero regularly that speculation will likely end up in the noise.

That said, I wouldn’t say no to something like GNU Taler getting picked up by a privacy-friendly organization. I’d love to see Mozilla integrate it so I could use Taler for payments to various online services.

Have a good one.

You too!

haui_lemmy,

Its good to hear that someone does something besides talking, I‘ll give you that.

But imagine, you‘d do so much good making PRs for the existing fedi and not having the attention and pressure while working on the now.

If we prepare for it falling apart before it even matured, we‘re dooming it. You could instead make a pr for a new search function (because its insanely easy to search through all dederated servers on your server, we just need it to be the default) and by working on something different with no momentum while depriving the thing that has momentum is a bad idea imo. Sorry.

Voting, as in you vote for something to happen. Democracy. We should federate it so everyone can do it, probably cryptographically or some other way.

Now you‘re contradicting yourself. You‘re making an alternative to the fediverse because of issues you cant be bothered to solve but speculation isnt worth to call crypto worthy of a successor. Do you see how that is illogical? Also, reinventing the wheel is why we have corporate control. We need to work on one thing and make it good.

sugar_in_your_tea,

making PRs

I have actually made a few PRs when I first came to lemmy. I fixed a few bugs that bothered me, implemented a feature I wanted, and took a couple extra bugs from the issue tracker that bothered others. I thought about making my own client, but decided to try patching the existing ones first, and that ended up being easier.

I’ve stopped being active though since I’m satisfied with the platform as it is. I’ve considered hosting my own, which might get me to optimize the BE a bit, so I guess we’ll see. But I really do think the project is solving the wrong problems, so I prefer to spend my hobby time experimenting with P2P apps since I think that’s what we’ll ultimately want, but I’ll absolutely help if there’s any project that’s remotely close to what I want.

I don’t have anything to show yet since it’s rough and I don’t want to publish anything without a good moderation story, but hopefully I’ll have something later this year.

new search function

I almost did, but the current one (new since I was originally interested) is good enough. Maybe I’ll add it to Jerboa or something since it completely lacks post/comment search AFAIK (should be easy now), but searching on my mobile browser works well enough.

But this gets back to the core design decisions. It can’t search stuff it doesn’t have cached locally, and abusing ActivityPub to broadcast search would have a risk of enabling amplification attacks.

The proper solution to search, imo, is a separate service that indexes as much of the fediverse as possible. That’s a massive project, and about on the scale of building a replacement, not to mention hosting costs. I could probably build it as a P2P app though, but at that point I might as well continue with my project since it has other benefits as well (e.g. single namespace, almost no hosting costs outside a few relays, etc).

Voting, as in you vote for something to happen. Democracy. We should federate it so everyone can do it, probably cryptographically or some other way.

Right, but how does that actually work? Every proposal I’ve seen for distributed voting systems has issues, and federating it won’t solve them. Here are a few off the top of my head:

  • barrier to entry - how are you going to get Grandma to use it?
  • malware voting on your behalf
  • privacy - how can you prove dead people aren’t voting while also preventing people from knowing if you voted?
  • are normal people going to trust it? We have enough issues with people not trusting voting machines, despite no evidence that voting machines have been exploited to any real degree

I’m satisfied with the current system in my area, which is mail ballots with a barcode so voters can see whether their vote was counted. That’s good enough, to the point where I’m going to put my efforts toward getting better voting systems (i.e. ranked, approval, or STAR voting) instead of more cryptography.

You‘re making an alternative to the fediverse because of issues you cant be bothered to solve

I’m making an alternative because the issues I want to solve are fundamental to federation, namely:

  • confusing namespaces - you need “community@instance”, and most people would prefer just "community"
  • power hungry mods - the ones I’ve seen are okay, but they were also okay on Reddit until they weren’t; we could vote for mods, but then interested parties could just bot spam their way in
  • hosting costs are high - you need to store everything for every community your users are interested in; that’s not going to scale well, especially with so much duplication

I can’t submit a PR to fix those, because if I try, it’ll just be a hack that’s going to have repercussions. Those are design decisions we’ll just have to live with for now.

So I’m addressing it with a personal research project, and here’s briefly how I’m solving them:

  • no namespaces, just "topics"
  • no permanent moderators, moderation is based on people you explicitly or implicitly trust (everyone would start with some default set)
  • hosting costs are $0, unless you run a relay on a $5 VPS; all storage is on user devices (aside from caching nodes to help with availability)

The hardest part is moderation, which is also the biggest selling point, at least until lemmy instance admins can no longer afford to keep hosting.

I think I can make an ActivityPub bridge as well, and I may end up having it act like a lemmy instance to help seed with data. But that’s not in the initial goals, I just want to see if client-side moderation based on votes and whatnot can actually work well.

haui_lemmy,

I have actually made a few PRs when I first came to lemmy.

Awesome!

solving the wrong problems

I would say this is far too generalized. Since you seem very smart you might want to reflect on this. The issues that lemmy solves are still prevalent outside of it and you are speaking from a place of privilege imo since you (as am I) are educated enough to make it here, build stuff and change things. We are the minority and we should not go running away before the world can catch up.

The proper solution to search, imo, is a separate service that indexes as much of the fediverse as possible.

I disagree, respectfully though since you make good points. I think it is already enough to index the servers you have federated with. For example, my own instance federates with world. I want to be able to see all communities, not posts or comments, that are on world, together with a rought member and post count. That way I can make an informed decision. I think you are making this too much a low level decision. The reason we are all here and the ultimate goal of lemmy and the fediverse imo is agency, nothing else. And that is what we should be striving for.

I have to run but I might come back to this later to answer the rest. I think we’re pretty constructive together. Maybe we should connect on github or something. I’m working on another fediverse thing.

See ya later. Feel free to send me a dm if you like.

sugar_in_your_tea,

The issues that lemmy solves

Oh, I’m not saying the issues it solves aren’t important, I’m saying it’s focusing on the wrong goals.

What I want out of lemmy is a credible Reddit alternative (so link aggregator with comments), that will be around long term with minimal disruption. It succeeds as a link aggregator, I’m worried about longevity based on its design.

Lemmy also had a goal of being on ActivityPub. Link aggregators (I assume) have a ton more shared data than something like Mastodon. But I don’t know for sure, I haven’t hosted either, it’s just a hunch. Likewise, people already complained about having to deal with a ton of instances on Mastodon, which seems to be an adoption issue for new users. Those aren’t solveable with lemmy as designed since they’re quirks of federation, but it was probably a faster way to get something out.

I want to be able to see all communities, not posts or comments… together with a rought member and post count

Ok, that’s pretty reasonable. I’m not sure how syncing those statistics would go without subscribing, but it’s probably not a ton of work.

But isn’t that essentially what [Lemmy Explorer] (lemmyverse.net/instance/lemmy.world/communities) is for? You get all of that info, and can narrow by instance if you want, even if your instance doesn’t federate with it.

Not sure if it was you, but there’s an issue for it with generally positive responses. I agree with Nutomic’s concern that this could be a lot of data (world alone has >10k communities), but as another user mentioned, we could filter by active communities and drastically reduce that.

The reason we are all here and the ultimate goal of lemmy and the fediverse imo is agency, nothing else

That’s pretty vague IMO.

I’m here because I want Reddit, but Reddit made some choices I strongly disagree with, such as:

  • effectively closing its API, which killed my favorite apps
  • selling user data (more recent)
  • “new Reddit,” which harvests more data than before; also, new Reddit isn’t open source AFAIK
  • sacking mods and probably replacing them with AI

I honestly don’t care about federation or ActivityPub, I’m just here because it replaces a service I like but refuse to use. Maybe that’s what you mean by agency, but for me personally, I’d just not use any social media if lemmy didn’t exist (or maybe I’d go back to hacker news).

So that’s the lens I’m seeing things through. I see Lemmy as a temporary stopgap, and I’d really rather not invest a bunch of time into something I think needs to be replaced. But I do believe in cleaning up my corner of the world, so I’ll contribute here and there, and I hope to donate to my instance once they accept donations (I’ve asked).

Maybe we should connect on github or something

Perhaps. I’ll save this comment so I can come back later if interested. I’m not in a position to really commit to anything right now, but perhaps starting a Matrix channel for like-minded people would be interesting.

I’d much rather keep discussions in some publicly accessible medium than over DMs, so hopefully someone else can pick up the torch when you or I inevitably lose interest.

That said, once I have a working project, I’ll post it on a few relevant communities for review (probably under an alt). So you’ll at least hopefully see that. I work primarily in Rust and plan to build my MVP with Tauri and Iroh, but I’m fairly comfortable in a variety of languages (Python and Typescript at my day job, lots of years with Go, looking into Haskell because FP rox and I want to study SimpleX chat).

If you want help on a project, post about it and I’ll take a look. I’m comfortable with most fullstack stuff (databases, React, Docker, etc).

onlinepersona,

I agree that LinkedIn is shit, but I’m not sure it’ll be resolved by going fedi. IMO what would be more important is a better job posting board. LinkedIn job search sucks galactic balls. The “remote jobs” search option is a fucking joke. Keywords are so blatantly spoiled by SEO and LinkedIn refuses to clean it up.

Not sure if a federated job search board would improve the situation though…

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haui_lemmy,

Its you again! Your signature always identifies you instantly.

I agree that linkedin is shit. Any form of alternative would be good but honestly, I‘m not using any social media that isnt democratic anymore. So my only chance at it is making it democratic.

Have a good one.

onlinepersona,

Its you again! Your signature always identifies you instantly.

😂 Thanks, I was hoping it would’ve caught on by now, but that’s fine.

I‘m not using any social media that isnt democratic anymore

Respect. LinkedIn shouldn’t have been social media, but they went ahead and did it. I too would like an alternative.

You have a good one too 🙂

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haui_lemmy,

I just went ahead and did something. Since I consider you very knowledgeable I would like to invite you to look at it and share your opinion. I‘ll send you the link if you‘re interested.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

So… how do you add an automatic signature? Asking for a friend…

onlinepersona,

It’s a keyboard shortcut that sends the keystrokes to the active window 😉 I wish there were a lemmy client that did it for me, but this is what I have to do for now.

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01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Fair. I added it to my bio for now. Baby steps is how we learn to run.

DeadNinja,
@DeadNinja@lemmy.world avatar

“galactic balls” - I am so going to use this phrase…

haui_lemmy,

I might as well

twoBrokenThumbs,

I agree that going fedi doesn’t automatically solve the issues. However, moving it away from a multi tiered paid platform (they really tailored it so they could do this) and controlling the bots/scam accounts would be a completely different experience. I think fedi would at least solve the first one, and I’d expect would help controlling the second.

Anon518,

Is there a specific problem with linkedin?

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Its been turning into Facebook for a while now. I used to have a relevant work feed, but more and more I have these feel good posts and even memes popping up.

Oh, and its pretty toxic in content too. Had this post the other day where some woman director of some company posted how tough it was to lose her husband to some disease, how tough it is to take care of the kids alone, finishing with how it helps her to be engrossed in her work.

Like half of that was about her work actually. A very very weird read.

Another post on woman’s day celebrating the working women who open their laptop again (for work) when the kids are in bed.

Such things, just ugh. And those gets lots of likes too.

I used to see such things only in the linkedinlunatic subreddit , but now I see it my feed.

Goun,

But they’re adding games!

Schlemmy, (edited )

I get sick from the sleazeball slimey replies like ‘‘I’m so happy to have been part of project a’’. People chiming in to shamelesly self promote on other people’s posts.

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

To be fair, company culture is a lot of self promotion. But there are OK ways to do that and terrible ways, what you describe is more of a terrible one.

velox_vulnus,

So, minus the feeds, you think LinkedIn would have been a good platform?

RootBeerGuy,
@RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I think its OK if you are looking for a job, yes. Not fully minus the feeds really, because I used to also see a lot of people advertising jobs in th feeds or saying they are leaving their jobs and looking for something. That is drowned out slowly by those shitty posts I mentioned.

velox_vulnus,

Understandable. However, wouldn’t it be better to use a status-like feature to let others know that you’re looking for a job? That way, the need for feeds would be eliminated right?

neutron,

Assuming that directors post was real, I am sure she wanted to properly grieve for her husband and have enough time to heal and provide for her children, to tie loose ends and close that chapter of her life in privacy.

But all she had was a sanitized corporate billboard where all she knew was to unconsciously make her post into a self congratulatory advertisement, of a heroic single mother sacrificing her mental health for her work.

It’s all tragic.

ByteWelder,
@ByteWelder@lemmy.ml avatar

In the early days they would quietly take all your contact info on your phone and send emails in your name that made it seem like you were reaching out to those contacts. Something like “(your name) is trying to reach you on LinkedIn”.

Back then, Android didn’t have app permissions like it does now where you have to ask the user explicit permission for access to certain data. It would only show up on the very first app install and only if you’d be looking for that.

I cancelled my account back then and never looked back.

neutron,

Android not having proper permissions back from KitKat era caused a lot of contact lists being leaked like rainwater. I’m still jaded at Google for that one.

mokazemi,
@mokazemi@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

IMO LinkedIn is a garbage for mental health, too. Where everyone wants to show off their achievements to others.

muhyb,

Sadly that’s true for all social media.

Evotech,

LinkedIn is probably the social media platform where I get a migraine going the quickest. I only quickly glance over everything over every month or so

I still keep an account there though. It’s pretty much required in the tech industry

sugar_in_your_tea,

Sure, if you actually use it to post. I never do, I just use it to submit applications and respond to recruiters’ messages.

neutron,

Worst of both worlds, the one-upping bootlicking culture, the fear of missing out on job prospects fueled by economic anxiety, with corporate enshittification liberally sprinkled in, all combined into one giant pile of turd.

And I say this as I’m also guilty of having an account on it. I also want to get rid of it, but can’t afford to risk my chances while looking for better jobs. Fuck all this.

headroom,

I keep LinkedIn telling myself it’s necessary to find a job but I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a job from LinkedIn, now that I think about it.

Grippler,

I’ve gotten almost all my jobs, and probably a handful of offers, and more messages from recruiters than I can count, through LinkedIn…it’s definitely the easiest way to find and get a job IME. I don’t think I’ve gone “job hunting” since I was fresh out of university looking for my first job.

brbposting,

Got an amazing one thanks to a fellow alumni who proactively reached out.

Well played on this one, Microsoft… got me locked in, for now.

Can’t wait for the day login to LI is required to purchase something. A price discriminator’s wet dream.

acetanilide,

I got a job from it once.

It was the worst experience of my life. I quit after a few weeks.

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve never gotten a job from LinkedIn but I feel like that’s also one where potential employers might view not having one as a red flag? Like maybe it’s better to keep something up with a basic profile and job history matching your resume, but not actively using?

candyman337,

Where do you get jobs from?

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve usually found things on Indeed and am starting to have some success with freelance/contracts on Upwork. I’ve also had some personal network connections to jobs, but that’s never been through LinkedIn, just knowing someone at a company and then thinking I’d be a good fit for an opening.

velox_vulnus,

I’m not really confident about starting out on Upwork. For someone who is a fresher, do you think it is apt to work as a freelancer?

jqubed,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not sure what a fresher is? In general I think it depends on what field you work in. If you’re in something where you might have to compete with a lot of competent people from low cost of living countries you might find your potential wages kept lower. On the other hand, national laws might help you. For instance, I see a lot of jobs that specify U.S.-applicants only.

The hardest part I think is getting that first job. You have to really tailor your proposal to catch the eye of the hiring person. Once you get that first job and it shows you as a verified individual and you start showing earnings on your page I think that helps build confidence. Then if you can successfully complete some contracts you can get flagged as rising talent or a high job success score, which opens additional opportunities.

The 10% commission takes a bite out of the paycheck, so you need to factor that in when setting your rate. Of course, a contractor should have a much higher hourly rate than a direct employee.

candyman337,

Good to know, thanks, I’ll check out upwork. I just got laid off and they gave me basically no severance, so, I’d love to find something quick lol

INHALE_VEGETABLES,

Defiantly this.

Depends on your job and the industry though I guess.

mihor,
@mihor@lemmy.ml avatar

Shit, I got almost half of my jobs through that site, though. Maybe I’m doing something wrong. 😆

toastal, (edited )

I got recruits to buy me coffee while I ranted at them about the tech industry. That was cool, but wasn’t worth how much noise is in the inbox nor the privacy concerns of having your data & network stored with Microsoft, so I deleted my account a few years ago.

I’d love to delete all accounts associated with Microsoft, but we need to bully projects off of MS GitHub that refuse to acknowledge the privacy concerns (as well as the mental health issues caused as a result of turning a code forge into a social media platform that your job probably makes you uses). npm falls in this same category but is easier to avoid.

sugar_in_your_tea,

I got my current job through it, and it’s a great job I never would’ve found otherwise. So I think it’s absolutely worth keeping.

I keep forgetting about it though. I block all of their messages and only check it if I’m looking for a job.

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