nixCraft,
@nixCraft@mastodon.social avatar

Wow. Red Hat cutting back RHEL source availability: CentOS Stream will now be the sole repository for public RHEL-related source code releases. For Red Hat customers and partners, source code will remain available via the Red Hat Customer Portal. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream What do you think?

ollo,

@nixCraft Good thing we already ran away when they started destroying CentOS. It was clear that this was the beginning of the end.

tyggna,

@nixCraft I think it's time to create the CentOS+ distro where we use ye ol' GPL to get back access to the code and then have a 100% separate entity manage it.

f4grx,
@f4grx@chaos.social avatar

@nixCraft I think fuck redhat

Is that even source code they own?

ScottTheGeek,
falken,
@falken@qoto.org avatar

@nixCraft is fine. Hobbyists use CentOs, don't need the payed support of RHEL. Is it legal with GPL to do though?

jared,

@nixCraft Not a fan. I knew IBM would do something eventually, took longer than I expected to be honest.

archehandoro,

@nixCraft Also for those that have a free developer account.

mcr314,
@mcr314@todon.nl avatar

@nixCraft It's not a new trend at Redhat.

Linux_Is_Best,

@nixCraft Fedora is in trouble.

#Fedora #Linux

kyoji,
kyoji avatar

@Linux_Is_Best Why do you say Fedora is in trouble? Is Red Hat pulling funding?

Linux_Is_Best,

@kyoji @nixCraft Not at this time, no, but I do suspect the free lunch that many enjoy will not last forever.

Additionally, with today's change, CentOS Steam is now the only sole public repo to Red Hat.

tbroyer,
@tbroyer@piaille.fr avatar

@Linux_Is_Best @nixCraft 🤔 Fedora is upstream of RHEL, right?

Or do you mean it's the next on the list?

Linux_Is_Best,

@tbroyer @nixCraft Fedora, for now, is the upstream to CentOS Steam, which is the upstream to Red Hat.

As of today, CentOS Stream is the sole public repository source to Red Hat.

tbroyer,
@tbroyer@piaille.fr avatar

@Linux_Is_Best @nixCraft Correct me if I'm wrong but all that Red Hat could do to Fedora is no longer sponsoring it, right?

This hasn't been announced, so why exactly did you say "Fedora is in trouble"? I still don't get it.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/fedora-and-red-hat-enterprise-linux/

Linux_Is_Best,

@tbroyer @nixCraft Fedora gets more than just funding from "big brother" Red Hat. Much of their development team has been developers who aid within Red Hat, and much of the development timeline is directed by Red Hat as well.

Fedora is not a stand alone of which Red Hat is "lucky" to befit from.

tbroyer,
@tbroyer@piaille.fr avatar

@Linux_Is_Best @nixCraft And so… your point is that it's the next on the list?

(that was my initial question, still unanswered; I just want to understand the risk as you see it)

Linux_Is_Best,

@tbroyer @nixCraft Y-E-S.

(There. I spelled it out for you 😂 )

It is not going to happen today or anytime "soon" but I do believe it will happen.

I said the same thing about CentOS and that did happen.

appelgriebsch,

@tbroyer @Linux_Is_Best @nixCraft you can always try to see problems when there are none… #fedora is clearly not affected here, still completely open source and now even part of the digital public goods alliance…

rgrison,

@Linux_Is_Best @nixCraft

Do you have any idea on the impact this will have on ? I might have to switch to a new distro but I haven't been able to find any information yet.

bragefuglseth,
@bragefuglseth@fosstodon.org avatar

@rgrison Fedora is RHEL’s upstream. Red Hat does not lose money on Fedora existing, it depends on Fedora. We’ll be fine

0xtero,

@nixCraft Well they're certainly doing their very best to nudge their releases towards "as closed as possible" outside commercial support contracts.

It's worded like they had no choice because "CentOS Project shifted to stream".

It's very carefully vetted corporate PR statement.

Leaves you with a bitter aftertaste. Typical RedHat.

fidget08,

@nixCraft what a bummer. RHEL is so popular simply because of support contracts.

dragnucs,
@dragnucs@touha.me avatar

@nixCraft I am now sure to understand. Will all development efforts shift to centos stream and its repository while others repos will remain archived?

jenesuispasgoth,

@nixCraft I don't get it. If it's still free software, what prevents any customer to publish the source code at each release?

himmelssohn,
@himmelssohn@social.adlerhorst.net avatar

@nixCraft I liked Red Hat for their kernel contributions, and didn't mind companies paying for it. Never touched Fedora, though.

aapis,
@aapis@mastodon.world avatar

@nixCraft I don’t run servers anymore but when I did they were all centos. As a product of a for-profit company this was inevitable, but still disappointing. I don’t think their copywriters know what evolution is tho

dukeboitans,
@dukeboitans@mas.to avatar

@nixCraft IBM strikes again. Big corpo doing big corpo stuff I guess.

number137,
@number137@mastodon.social avatar

@nixCraft they are trying to screw AlmaLinux and RockyLinux 😑

easytarget,

@nixCraft
What worries me is that it won't be long before they start looking at ways to monetize #fedora .

bragefuglseth,
@bragefuglseth@fosstodon.org avatar

@easytarget Fedora is a separate entity, Red Hat does not have that kind of control over it. Furthermore, they benefit from Fedora being used by as many people as possible, so I fail to see why they would have any interest in monetizing it, even if they could. RHEL is how they make money.

easytarget,

@bragefuglseth
I think you are right, but I'd also be totally unsurprised if there is somebody in RH/IBM tasked with finding a way to do exactly that..

finn,

@nixCraft They cannot claim to be open source of it is not open. A company sharing proprietary information with paying customers is not open source!

RandomDamage,

@nixCraft contrary to what a lot of people are going to say, they aren't violating the GPL with this.

If they distribute binaries to you, you have access to the source code those binaries were built from.

That's all the GPL promises.

atoponce,
@atoponce@fosstodon.org avatar

@nixCraft RHEL is overrated.

nixCraft,
@nixCraft@mastodon.social avatar

@atoponce RHEL is popular because corporate can call someone when things go wrong, or a sysadmin or IT guy leaves the job or drop dead. They provide training and support as long as you buy the contract. Otherwise, Debian, Ubuntu, and others are good for anyone.

atoponce,
@atoponce@fosstodon.org avatar

@nixCraft Yes, I'm familiar. I'm RHEL certified and was an RHX for a couple years certifying other admins.

Paying for support contracts means you don't have the confidence in your IT department to address things that go wrong. Sure, the suits can sleep at night as an insurance policy, but it also encourages the team to not take ownership of their infrastructure. "RH can fix it".

There are also plenty of 3rd party Debian contractors that you can pay for support.

RHEL is still overrated.

Linux_Is_Best,

@nixCraft @atoponce You're better off with either SUSE or Ubuntu. Both offer a number to call and speak with on the corporate side of things.

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