Lemmy.World New Documentation and Updates to the Terms of Service

IronKrill, 7 months ago

The links to the Fair Use policy are broken. They use an underscore instead of a dash, which is giving me a 404 on mobile.

lwadmin, 7 months ago

the information was updated.

clueless_stoner, 7 months ago

Yes, this is because we have just moved the legal page into a different UI with all its content, and so some of the links on the post may not be correct. I will update them as soon as I can and notify you.

keefshape, 7 months ago

Very much appreciated, team 👊

egeres, 7 months ago

❤❤❤❤ thank you for all the hard work!!!

BackOnMyBS, 7 months ago (edited 7 months ago)

Thanks for maintaining this site so welcoming, transparently, and professionally!

On the 18+ age restriction, it’s possible that there are users in the !autism community that are under 18 years old, but get a lot of benefit from being a part of the community. Is there a way we can eventually have an adjustment to the terms of some sort that allows adolescents (say 16 & 17 y/o) from partaking in the community openly with their age?

Edit: !autism would be willing to develop a set of rules that ensure the community is considerate of 16 & 17 y/o users.

clueless_stoner, 7 months ago

Hello @BackOnMyBS I appreciate your inquiry. And while in my heart I would like to allow this on-the-go, in reality it would also raise a multitude of concerns, and require us to review the safety of this situation regularly. I will consider an adjustment and discuss it with other staff when possible, and be sure to get back to you.

BackOnMyBS, 7 months ago

I appreciate your response and your concerns and think they are completely reasonable. Thank you for considering it! We’ll standby at !autism and let the users know that if we find out they are under 18, we will have to remove them.

InternetTubes, 7 months ago

Just as a note, I still have no official response to this: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit

TL;DR,
From the last comment here: https://web.archive.org/web/20231020022523/https://kbin.social/u/@InternetTubes@lemmy.world
To a sudden removal of all comments and account ban here: https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog
To seemingly attempting to hide it by deleting from the local modlog DB: https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog

Some users have tried to gaslight that there's no way to know what happened behind the scenes. There is, I made sure to archive it in web.archive.org, the evidence speaks for itself. Otherwise, I have had no contact to or from the admins, and the ticket I opened up in mastodon.world has remained unanswered.

setsneedtofeed, 7 months ago

Thanks so much for pinning the update! I do have a question regarding illegal content. The governing laws for the site are still the Netherlands, and from what I can see laws about airsoft are very restrictive. Is simply talking about or posting pictures airsoft guns that would be illegal in the Netherlands be considered not allowed, if the airsoft guns are in countries where they are legal? Or would TOS restrictions only be for discussing how to circumvent Netherlands laws regarding airsoft? The latter seems to make more sense to me, since a picture of the item and discussion on it’s own as long as it doesn’t veer into how to break the law shouldn’t cause any issues for the server, but I do want to be clear so that if I post my realistic airsoft gun in the airsoft community I don’t get on the admin badside.

Zstom6IP, 7 months ago

As a moderator of multiple larger communities, i am here to express my gratitude for the admins who maintain this platform.

Touching_Grass, 7 months ago

Documents.

Cool

Rentlar, 7 months ago

Both the advantage and disadvantage of being the largest instance is that you will be more likely to need to be the most thorough with Data Processing and faced with the most scrutiny, but should have more resources (if people donate) to have a sophisticated policy in place.

registrert, 7 months ago (edited 7 months ago)

What does it mean that e-mail, username and passwords must be complete and true? No anonymous e-mail? No unique usernames for Lemmy, it must correlate with an external service?

What are your demands for content federated to you?

How does it work if a user wants to delte their account and all relevant data as per GDPR or similar if it’s federated?

Update: How does the 18+ rule relate to users on instances with lower or no age requirements?

I’m not trying to be negative, I think we all are trying to figure out how this new methods of interaction can safely occur between both users and instances.

ChunkMcHorkle, 7 months ago

I found the two adjacent sections you are referring to in the Privacy Policy, and it’s a good question. I have no idea what it means either. Email address I can understand to some extent, but not an anonymous username or a private password no one else should ever see. Quoting for posterity:

Personal information provided by you

The personal information that we collect depends on the context of your interactions with us and the website, the choices you make, and the features you use. The personal information we collect may include the following:

• email addresses
• usernames
• passwords

Sensitive information

We do not process sensitive information.

All personal information that you provide to us must be true, complete, and accurate, and you must notify us of any changes to such personal information.

clueless_stoner, 7 months ago (edited 7 months ago)

Okay.

What does it mean that e-mail, username and passwords must be complete and true?

Burner e-mails are not allowed on Lemmy.World. Any content in conflict with the Terms of Service is also not allowed, usernames also being content. Passwords must be complete and true in the sense they should meet the security requirements of Lemmy(World) during sign-up, and this standard be maintained during any other later change.

What are your demands for content federated to you?

We have not a Federation Policy in place, as does no one. Any content visible on Lemmy.World(which also includes federated content) would be moderated in accordance to the Fair Use Policy of Lemmy.World.

How does the 18+ rule relate to users on instances with lower or no age requirements?

This rule, as well as simply serving to fulfill legal obligations, is also an extension of a statement from our Privacy Policy, which states in case we realize an user is underage, we will delete all data associated with them, including their account. Since the Lemmy software does not run a feature to check or confirm user age, this policy is only to be enforced upon moments of being made aware. As with our local users, upon the moment of realization, a federated underage user would also be restricted from interacting with our instance, and any data associated with them deleted.

How does it work if a user wants to delte their account and all relevant data as per GDPR or similar if it’s federated?

When requested appropriately and confirmed by us for security purposes, we will(and do) gladly delete all of an individual’s data that we have. We are not responsible of what content is in other websites.

registrert, 7 months ago

Thank you for the reply and clarifications.

I can see some potential issues and some terms I absolutely disagree with.

Like disallowing burner e-mails, for the large parts an unenforceable rule (unenforceable “dormant” rules tend to erode respect for the enforceable rules in my experience).

It’s also a bit worrisome that (from what i understand of the fair use policy) if someone pulls a community from, say my instance, where I state “I don’t understand the rules of Lemmy.world, some of them seem unenforceable” I could per the rules get banned from your instance.

The things I disagree with is a non-issue, we live on different instances and I respect all admins right to decide what they allow on their instance. The things I find worrisome would impact the interconnectivity of the fediverse. I’m still anticipating a split in the lemmyverse.

Let’s see how it goes, so far I have a good impression of Lemmy.world and wish you good luck with your new rules.

clueless_stoner, 7 months ago (edited 7 months ago)

unenforcable like disallowing burner mails

It is checked automatically and enforced automatically upon detection, for every single user. It is not unenforcable at all.

I’m still anticipating a split

Like there isn’t already? And it’s got nothing to do with anyone’s rules or documentation.

owatnext, 7 months ago

Burner emails are not allowed on Lemmy.World

Does “burner email” have a legal definition? I ask this in good faith, as a privacy conscious user with multiple emails — some of which have one purpose and one purpose only.

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Thanks for any input!

clueless_stoner, 7 months ago

We do not count e-mail alisases as burner e-mails, as I assume that is what you meant. The use of temporary e-mail addresses are not allowed on Lemmy.World, and this is checked and enforced automatically during sign-up. So, as an already successfully registered and confirmed user, you have nothing to worry about.

paraphrand, 7 months ago

So things like the “hide my email” addresses that iCloud generates are fair game. They are aliases. Right?

These are popular and available to very average people. All in the name of privacy, and anti-spam.

setsneedtofeed, 7 months ago

I assume this refers to some kind of automatically generated bot email thing?

clueless_stoner, 7 months ago

Close enough. There are certain e-mail providers which one might use to generate and use an e-mail address only for a specific amount of time(eg. ~10 mins), and then will get destroyed by the provider and will no longer be valid. These services are mostly used by bots and spammers, as we have witnessed from countless spam attacks as well as CSAM incidents. Those are what we call burner mails, because they get burned quickly. And they are not allowed here anymore, since a while now.

MrPoopyButthole, 7 months ago

Thanks for continuing to provide this platform free of data collection and advertising!

Zombiepirate, 7 months ago

Don’t forget to support the instance! They don’t sell your data or inundate you with ads, so throw some cash their way to keep non-corporate social media alive!

clueless_stoner, 7 months ago

❤️

cyberfae, 7 months ago

I just donated ~$2, I hope it helps.

Candelestine, 7 months ago

That’s like … some thousands of ad watches worth? Solid contribution. Digital economy works great at the penny-ante level, since there’s so god damn many of us. Standard “if everyone gave a dollar…” line.

Drunemeton, 7 months ago

FYIE: They have a $2/month tier and I highly encourage you to do this, if you can!

YoBuckStopsHere, 7 months ago

Thanks for listening to us!