So. People WANT a Hitler to run the US? Because all morning/week/month/year I’ve seen polls (I know, I don’t give polls much credence either, but it’s consistent) telling me how Biden’s numbers have dropped and how Trump is beating him in swing states, etc. WTF America? W. T. A. F.!
@GottaLaff At times like this, I remember that the overwhelming majority of Americans just don't follow politics. For them (I think), DJT vs. JRB is "that guy I've mostly forgotten" vs. "that guy who never made an impression", and their default is often "whichever guy has nothing to do with my lousy mood today."
The good news is a lot of those people do "tune in" at some point and take the question seriously.
I have voted democratic (with some libertarian flirtations) my entire adult life, yet I get DELUGED by countless political groups needing to know RIGHT NOW what I think about THIS EXTREEEEEMLY IMPORTANT issue and how i intend to VOTE!
At this point I am unsubscribing from all of the groups & causes I support because FUCKING SHUT THE HELL UP!
I know how I'm going to vote, and fuck everyone that thinks they need to know about it.
@GottaLaff approval ratings might be deceiving; a lot of Democrats don't approve of Joe Biden but would still vote for him, while the vast majority of Republicans approve of Trump. So I could see a situation where Trump has a higher approval rating but would lose an election to Biden.
Yup. You can dismiss individual polls, but when pretty much all the polls are saying the exact same thing, you do have to sit up and take notice.
Granted, it's still early but at the same time, I can't help but think something is very wrong here. By any reasonable standard, this election should be an easy layup.
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Scholars of #authoritarianism (Nazism and Stalinism) have identified that (to the mob) evil-doing has a “morbid force of attraction” and that there exists a “propaganda value of evil deeds”. It seems crazy but it’s a real psychological factor in authoritarian politics.
@GottaLaff or won't vote at all... I think a lot of effort is being spent trying to convince people who don't think the system is working now to vote to try to save the system.
If for decades the majority of people agree on basic stuff and that doesn't get turned into law, but then a weird fringe group gets into power and gets their stuff turned into law really quick, including stuff opposite what the majority wants(gender equality, health access, weed legalization)... It doesn't really make you want to go back to the establishment that failed in the first place. Particularly when the Ds now are pushing the same policies that made me hate the Rs then.
@GottaLaff or think it's not really a democracy now and their vote doesn't matter...
Personally I will vote because there's local issues I care about but I don't think my federal vote will matter.
I live in California and both parties agree that we aren't worth pursuing for presidential races.🤷🏽♀️ I get something way less than a third of the voting power that somebody in the Dakotas or Wyoming gets.
I think you're missing the basic idea that I'm trying to convey: people don't think it's currently a democracy that responds to their beliefs. So there's no amount of saying "this will be the end of democracy" that can feel urgent. Like if you mop this spilled milk on a slaughterhouse floor back into a carton, I guess that's better for disposal but it's not like you saved the milk.
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It's B.S from the media that are owned by the oligarchs.
Driven by false polls that the right are paying for.
Have you been polled?
I got polled about 6 months ago and they hung up on me when I said I was a strong Democrat.
Had an online Republican board buddy, from Florida, who finally lost my last bit of understanding when he argued during the W years that he believed there should be elite ruling families that rotated the presidency and federal leadership roles. But not if those dirty Clintons were one such family, of course.
These dipfucks have always wanted kings, dictators, Hitler, to tell them it’s okay to be awful. And then let them be.
Polls are getting worse and worse since folks cut their land lines. And young folks never had one and never answer unknown numbers. And phones were the major avenue for pollsters.
They had us on pins and needles in 2020, and The Mango Moron lost by 8 million votes. He's spent the intervening years making 100 different kinds of a total ass of himself and other GOPers.
@GottaLaff Don’t worry about polls 8 months in advance. Nothing but noise, compounded when you realize these are polls of people who actually answer their phones. That excludes most people under age 40. Trump hasn’t got a snowball’s chance in hell.
@GottaLaff Thanks, I wanted to add another piece of context that might assuage some of your worries. I looked through the poll details and found this: look at the % of people they polled by population density: 24% city, 41% suburb, 35% rural. The actual population density in America: 31% urban, 55% suburban, 14% rural. They are over-representing rural voters by almost 3 to 1 in this poll. And we know rural voters are much more likely to pick Trump.
@GottaLaff They’ve been following a well researched playbook…and (as a general statement) people in this country are gullible with short attention spans.
@GottaLaff I think it’s a combination of the steady drumbeat of horrifying news in Gaza and a natural boost for Trump over primary wins, plus the media obsession with the freak show. It’s early March, most people aren’t paying much attention in a serious way. If it looks like this is August I’ll be worried but for now not so much.
I do wish the entire media establishment weren’t trying to get the baby Hitler elected though.
@GottaLaff Probably a conspiracy theory, but all media is now click bait...how do we get views unless we tweak the overall narrative to keep the citizenry fearful.
@GottaLaff They believe the lies that a tough, strong leader will make their lifestyle better and they will have more money to spend on useless junk. They don’t understand that we can’t go back to the 1950s. Society has evolved beyond that. The only problem that we haven’t solved is distributing wealth more equitably and providing essential services like in social democracies in Europe. Our current system evolved only to benefit the wealthy who will do anything to keep Trump in power.
@GottaLaff I cringe to realize that maybe both parties are complicit in perpetuating the status quo, just using different flavors of poison.
It’s tough, maybe now impossible, to effect positive change in a republic when the masses have been brainwashed over the last 25 years, in some ways no different than Russia.
At least in the 1960s, change was effective. And forces have been working overtime to undo it ever since.
@GottaLaff I will not believe the majority of Americans want Trump as president. With the Supreme Court ruling, it is definitely up to the people to make sure that he isn’t elected. In the meantime, do it so many are suggesting try and convince people that he is the threat that he truly is. We don’t know what will come out in the next few months. I know the CIA has already warned that giving him security briefings pre-election could be a real problem.
@GottaLaff@lillyfinch taking the weekend off from politics, especially after such a horrible week. Did you watch Stephen Colbert‘s monologue on what happened with SCOTUS? He really threw down the gauntlet.
@GottaLaff@lillyfinch made me feel better. Read an article a while ago about how the late night shows or where a lot of people are getting accurate news in the format of humor. Check it out.
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